I hope DW2 gets ganked all the way to Beagle Point.

[Rat Catcher]

Game is working as intended, now with added PK reimbursement in private groups. What a joke.

But why does this bother you? Are you upset because you are not in the private group and therefore are missing out on something, or just that because a party in a prvate group in which PvP 'action' is prohibited might not have to lose his ship, data and rebuy cost because someone in this PvE PG decided to have some 'lols' PKing?

I don't see anything in such a circumstance to be upset/offended by...

 

[Globusdiablo]

But why does this bother you? Are you upset because you are not in the private group and therefore are missing out on something, or just that because a party in a prvate group in which PvP 'action' is prohibited might not have to lose his ship, data and rebuy cost because someone in this PvE PG decided to have some 'lols' PKing?

I don't see anything in such a circumstance to be upset/offended by...

Read my later posts.

 

[PeLucheuh]

Honestly i do not think i have ever defended clogging before however if anyone in a PG where no PvP is allowed clog against someone attacking them, personally i think it is a non issue <shrugs>. In open however it is different.

I fully get it was just your opinion but combat logging is an issue no matter the mode. It is not exclusive to Open or PvP.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/105778-“Combat-Logging”-Update

Although this is flagged primarily as a multiplayer concern, the issues (and solutions) apply equally to the single player game.

It can't be defended. PG's restrictive rules don't modify mechanics of the game.

 

[jasonbarron]

I love how this thread and most of it's posters continually ignore and side step the fact that there has been almost no invasions of a private group; almost the entirety of the carnage has taken place in Open. News flash for the OP: PvPers can follow the migration weeding out the herd all the way from the Bubble to to Beagle Point and it isn't going to result in Fdev going "Oh snap! I guess we shoulda implemented an Open PvE mode! Guess we'd better fix that." It's the way it is because that's the way they intended it to be, and a bunch of players not willing to take care of themselves isn't going to change that.

And for the record, Ziggy, they were in fact wearing red tops and bugling horns in announcement of their intentions. The bugling sounded like Dakka Dakka! and FWOOOM! FWOOOM! and Ka-blooie! accompanied by the shrill sounds of panicked screaming, but still...

 

[biot]

I love how this thread and most of it's posters continually ignore and side step the fact that there has been almost no invasions of a private group; almost the entirety of the carnage has taken place in Open

Well to be fair the first few pages of this thread had people making that distinction but it rapidly got drowned out by the overall gnashing of teeth and clutching of pearls. In that respect it has not so much been derailed but more like blown into orbit.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

And for the record, Ziggy, they were in fact wearing red tops and bugling horns in announcement of their intentions. The bugling sounded like Dakka Dakka! and FWOOOM! FWOOOM! and Ka-blooie! accompanied by the shrill sounds of panicked screaming, but still...

This Ziggy, you asked me in the other thread but I was getting ready for the day.

Phisto outlined the parameters quite nicely, and jason here has given an accurate and humorous account of what the tourist beacon was like at jump-off time on Sunday.

 

[Rat Catcher]

Read my later posts.

I have now - and agree with your PvE sentiment entirely.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

And for the record, Ziggy, they were in fact wearing red tops and bugling horns in announcement of their intentions. The bugling sounded like Dakka Dakka! and FWOOOM! FWOOOM! and Ka-blooie! accompanied by the shrill sounds of panicked screaming, but still...

For the record, that was Leper Messiah suggesting to bar the gankiewankies from the private group. So that comment was aimed at vetting 11,000 players. By the time they went Brakka Brakka it's a little too late to vet them wouldn't you say?

for reference:

I can assure you the organisers were very aware of the possibility some pillocks would join up. Unfortunately the pillocks aren't as easily identifiable by wearing red tops and tooting horns. They be like: I'd like to join your group to go sploring! Not many gankers were signing up using: I'm going to start shooting once we're 10,000 LY from the bubble.

So, the advice was given to join Fleetcomm. The warning was given there may be wolves in sheepsclothes, so be on the lookout.

How would you have dealt with trying to vet 11,000 players?

This Ziggy, you asked me in the other thread but I was getting ready for the day.

Not this vindelanos. You're not copping out that easily. The questions in the other thread remain unanswered.

And so does the question: How did the organisers make it way to easy?

 

[Ian Skippy]

I fully get it was just your opinion but combat logging is an issue no matter the mode. It is not exclusive to Open or PvP.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/105778-“Combat-Logging”-Update


It can't be defended. PG's restrictive rules don't modify mechanics of the game.

Fortunately, nobody needs to defend their choices to you.

 

[ZeroAi]

Let me be clear. The rules permit this gameplay - there is no moral deficit expressed by the players that exercise the rules as they see fit.

I totally hear where you are coming from, and I know your title isn't quite what it seems, but I still feel compelled to say that...

...just because it can be done doesn't mean it's either good or acceptable to the majority (even if it's allowed by those in charge.)



Yes, griefing is totally permitted by Frontier in Open, just like lying and hate speech is allowed under free speech laws in many situations.

That said, most people don't condone griefing, lying, or hate speech.

My point is, just because something is allowed doesn't mean the majority accepts that it's good or commendable behavior, even if we understand that said behavior is not prohibited.



TL;DR - Just because it's allowed doesn't mean most people like or even accept it.

just maybe - a tiny glimmer of possibility here - FDEV will realize that an OPEN PVE mode is actually a good thing.

Open PvE servers would be awesome.

One click and you can play with everyone else who selects Open PvE without ever having to worry about talking damage from any other player (i.e. non-npc).

Lots of open world games have this as the default option, and it's one I would love to see added to ED.

But just like crossplay, I don't think FDev has any desire at all to add it :-(

There is an open pve server "mobius"

Not. Even. Close.

Signing up requires jumping through hoops, and there's nothing stopping Greifers from lying on the application and still getting in.

Oh, and it requires a lot of time and effort on the part of the Mobius team which I applaud, but is also a real shame in the 21st century when these thing are so easy to code.


Edit: Just noticed this thing is on page 41! So if you're wondering, no, I didn't read all the responses before posting my own response to the op :-D

 

[Deleted member 115407]

Not this vindelanos. You're not copping out that easily. The questions in the other thread remain unanswered.

And so does the question: How did the organisers make it way to easy?

I KILLED THEM, ZIGGY! Alright?! Is that what you wanted to hear? I killed them.

How could I not kill them? They were arriving in droves, in paper thin ships, at a location that had been broadcasted for weeks to every palooka with a pulse laser.

And we warned them. We kept saying "You're gonna die, you're gonna die...". Some even went so far as to give them outfitting advice. And so many ignored it - some even mocked the advice!

Leading up to the event, they were like deer coming to the feeder. On the day of the event, they were like a coop full of fluffy chickens all gathered around one big fat worm. And when the foxes got in... feathers everywhere, dude. It was glorious.

That's right, I killed them. Lots and lots of them, and my friends did, too. And I'm going to keep killing them all the way to Beagle.

 

[jasonbarron]

I KILLED THEM, ZIGGY! Alright?! Is that what you wanted to hear? I killed them.

How could I not kill them? They were arriving in droves, in paper thin ships, at a location that had been broadcasted for weeks to every palooka with a pulse laser.

And we warned them. We kept saying "You're gonna die, you're gonna die...". Some even went so far as to give them outfitting advice. And so many ignored it - some even mocked it!

Leading up to the event, they were like deer coming to the feeder. On the day of the event, they were like a coop full of fluffy chickens all gathered around one big fat worm. And when the foxes got in... feathers everywhere, dude. It was glorious.

That's right, I killed them. Lots and lots of them, and my friends did, too. And I'm going to keep killing them all the way to Beagle.

*Stunned silence*

 

[Deleted member 115407]

*Stunned silence*

This is the part where the judge dismisses the charges against the accused and tells the bailiff to take me into custody

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I KILLED THEM, ZIGGY! Alright?! Is that what you wanted to hear? I killed them.

How could I not kill them? They were arriving in droves, in paper thin ships, at a location that had been broadcasted for weeks to every palooka with a pulse laser.

And we warned them. We kept saying "You're gonna die, you're gonna die...". Some even went so far as to give them outfitting advice. And so many ignored it - some even mocked it!

Leading up to the event, they were like deer coming to the feeder. On the day of the event, they were like a coop full of fluffy chickens all gathered around one big fat worm. And when the foxes got in... feathers everywhere, dude. It was glorious.

That's right, I killed them. Lots and lots of them, and my friends did, too. And I'm going to keep killing them all the way to Beagle.

So I take it, you either lied your way into the Private group, which cannot be, because you're a nice chap and all. Or the players you killed arrived in Open, which the organisers adviced against.

What I want to hear dear Wine of Lanos, is what the organisers should have done different to make it less easy. Or to put it another way: How did the organisers make it way too easy?

I didn't ask: what did you do?

Have another go. It's very amusing

 

[NeilF]

I KILLED THEM, ZIGGY! Alright?! Is that what you wanted to hear? I killed them.

How could I not kill them? They were arriving in droves, in paper thin ships, at a location that had been broadcasted for weeks to every palooka with a pulse laser.

And we warned them. We kept saying "You're gonna die, you're gonna die...". Some even went so far as to give them outfitting advice. And so many ignored it - some even mocked the advice!

Leading up to the event, they were like deer coming to the feeder. On the day of the event, they were like a coop full of fluffy chickens all gathered around one big fat worm. And when the foxes got in... feathers everywhere, dude. It was glorious.

That's right, I killed them. Lots and lots of them, and my friends did, too. And I'm going to keep killing them all the way to Beagle.

Is interesting isn't it. I recall at a Thargoid site of interested once, I spotted an Asp on the surface nearby, and the CMDR had clearly gone off in their SRV.

I really thought long and hard about blowing that ASP to pieces. In the end I just couldn't bring my self to do it. I realised I'd in reality get no enjoyment knowing that I'd simply needlessly frustrated another player for no reason... Odd how different people have different perceptions and value sets.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

By the way, repped for Shakespearean delivery

 

[jasonbarron]

So I take it, you either lied your way into the Private group, which cannot be, because you're a nice chap and all. Or the players you killed arrived in Open, which the organisers adviced against.

What I want to hear dear Wine of Lanos, is what the organisers should have done different to make it less easy. Or to put it another way: How did the organisers make it way too easy?

I didn't ask: what did you do?

Have another go. It's very amusing

Please allow me to direct your attention to this OP where a few basic (yet unobserved) tips to ensure the likelihood of survival were doled out: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/472345-On-Improving-The-Safety-of-Commanders-In-Game

@CMDR Vindelanos, remember--Thanos did nothing wrong.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Please allow me to direct your attention to this OP where a few basic (yet unobserved) tips to ensure the likelihood of survival were doled out: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/472345-On-Improving-The-Safety-of-Commanders-In-Game

@CMDR Vindelanos, remember--Thanos did nothing wrong.

Please allow me to direct your attention to this post in that thread where I try to find out what the organisers should have done: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ders-In-Game?p=7347180&viewfull=1#post7347180

The big issue I have with the OP you posted is the blaming of the leadership. "but leadership has got to stand up and accept responsibility for their role in yesterday's shenanigans" If CMDRs arrive in Open, they've got no one but themselves to blame and should have been prepared.

Again, I am looking for answers from those blaming the leadership/organisers.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

So I take it, you either lied your way into the Private group, which cannot be, because you're a nice chap and all. Or the players you killed arrived in Open, which the organisers adviced against.

What I want to hear dear Wine of Lanos, is what the organisers should have done different to make it less easy. Or to put it another way: How did the organisers make it way too easy?

I didn't ask: what did you do?

Have another go. It's very amusing

Nah, it was all in Open, man. I never even signed up for DW2. Though I will say that between the explosions I am enjoying some of the sights.

Is interesting isn't it. I recall at a Thargoid site of interested once, I spotted an Asp on the surface nearby, and the CMDR had clearly gone off in their SRV.

I really thought long and hard about blowing that ASP to pieces. In the end I just couldn't bring my self to do it. I realised I'd in reality get no enjoyment knowing that I'd simply needlessly frustrated another player for no reason... Odd how different people have different perceptions and value sets.

I've killed other players before, but only on a one or two basis, and mostly around piracy... mostly.

This was on another scale though. You should try it sometime, man. It's a lot of fun.

 

[SpaceScania]

Please allow me to direct your attention to this OP where a few basic (yet unobserved) tips to ensure the likelihood of survival were doled out: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/472345-On-Improving-The-Safety-of-Commanders-In-Game

@CMDR Vindelanos, remember--Thanos did nothing wrong.

Yep and if players like that kind of danger and want to play in an environment where they can be murdered at any time and have to therefore prepare for encounters with hostile PvP players, great. Some really find that thrilling and fun. That's what open is for.

However, to state that all players must be so equipped and must play in this environment regardless of their preferences is just plain wrong. I'll never play in that environment as it has zero appeal to me. There are already 100 quadrillion FPS games where the main focus of gameplay is combat. I got into Elite because it had more to offer than that. If Elite just turns into an FPS in space I'll know that is time for me to move on to another game.