It's too bad explosion animations don't stick around longer, kind of makes it hard to take selfies in front of them.
I hope DW2 gets ganked all the way to Beagle Point.
- Thread starter Chaparral
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It's too bad explosion animations don't stick around longer, kind of makes it hard to take selfies in front of them.
I feel that joining a private group under false pretexts is an underhanded player (distinct from character/CMDR) action that should be punishable like any other underhanded player action.
However, I can't help but think giving special attention to specific private groups for the purposes of fast-tracking reimbursement is a double standard, a waste of support's resources, and potentially subject to abuse.
When it comes to Open assaults by CMDRs upon other CMDRs are both inevitable, and to an extent, desirable. Frontier has chosen the rules they have because the setting they are trying to present (to various degrees of success) is not safe. Ultimately the survival of a CMDR's vessel is going to come down to that CMDR's actions or inaction.
Regardless, I highly doubt there will be a radical restructuring of the modes, no matter how many CMDRs happen get themselves shot down while participating in DW2.
Choices that involve breaking the rules in shared multi-player game can't be defended.
You can't have a game without rules to define it and allowing each player of such a game to define their own personal set of rules that conflict with how the game is intended to function undermines the game for everyone. If someone has a problem with the rules, they can suggest a change. If someone finds they cannot abide the rules, they can refrain from further play.
However, I can't help but think giving special attention to specific private groups for the purposes of fast-tracking reimbursement is a double standard, a waste of support's resources, and potentially subject to abuse.
When it comes to Open assaults by CMDRs upon other CMDRs are both inevitable, and to an extent, desirable. Frontier has chosen the rules they have because the setting they are trying to present (to various degrees of success) is not safe. Ultimately the survival of a CMDR's vessel is going to come down to that CMDR's actions or inaction.
Regardless, I highly doubt there will be a radical restructuring of the modes, no matter how many CMDRs happen get themselves shot down while participating in DW2.
Choices that involve breaking the rules in shared multi-player game can't be defended.
You can't have a game without rules to define it and allowing each player of such a game to define their own personal set of rules that conflict with how the game is intended to function undermines the game for everyone. If someone has a problem with the rules, they can suggest a change. If someone finds they cannot abide the rules, they can refrain from further play.
Nothing is stopping you from playing in a private open group like Mobius, or playing in offline mode. PVP will never, ever be removed from open in this game.
I really wish people would stop complaining about PVP. Play in offline or a private group. Problem solved. Stop trying to ruin the game for everyone else.
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Please read my earlier posts. I have no problem at all with PvP in open! My problem is with the folks arguing in this thread that we should all be forced to play in open. That's why I got involved in this thread.
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whilst i would not play offline even if i could... out of curiosity how would one go about such a thing? Also whilst i am not saying "No one is complaining about gankers in open" I think you are building a strawman if you are saying the majority are.
The majority are moaning about prats who deliberately go into a private group which is specifically made to be "no PvP" and yet are unable to adhere to that 1 pretty simple rule. it is the few doing this who are trying to "ruin it for everyone else" in that group.
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I'm so lost.
So many people arguing so many different things.
Recap: The fleetcomm PG was untouched by pvp'ers, pvp'ers came and attacked those CMDR's who for some strange reason thought open was the way to go, FD is not auto-reimbursing anyone, in any mode.
Right?
Everyone involved had a good time?
So, what's up with all the outrage?
So many people arguing so many different things.
Recap: The fleetcomm PG was untouched by pvp'ers, pvp'ers came and attacked those CMDR's who for some strange reason thought open was the way to go, FD is not auto-reimbursing anyone, in any mode.
Right?
Everyone involved had a good time?
So, what's up with all the outrage?
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We both forgot the solo players.- Explorers sad they got ganked in open
- DW2 sad had one ganker in Fleetcom &
- DW2 sad so many got ganked in open
- Gankers sad they didn't get the ones in Fleetcom
- Everyone else sad no one is playing with them
Did I forget anyone?
Have to assume they're just peachy.
If I was a ganker wanting to mine the maximum salt, and was lurking in the special protected PG, I would not show my true colors until later in the run. This will be a one-shot gank right? As soon as you've shown your true motives, you will be booted from the PG and no more salty joy will be had. The best time for this fun will be at a late gathering point. That will be the pressure point for the Devs. This will be when the redo requests will come in from the PG.
Open is open, and those poor guys will get wrecked over the whole trip without any chance of rebuy.
And, yes "Oh snap" . Gee it cost us 250 man hours at 40$ an hour to process all of these fixes, maybe we should do something to reduce our costs...
If any connection loss during player vs player combat resulted in a pretty explosion, there would be no need to do any further investigation as to what exactly made the player disappear from the instance. Connection errors are not that common anyway, and since clogging would be pointless (you'd face the rebuy screen no matter what), no one would point fingers at you yelling 'clogger'. You could curse the appropriate gods responsible for the stability of Internet connections, but you wouldn't lose much anyway (nothing at all if you were clean and your usual rebuy cost + fines & bounties if the bounty on your head was claimed), and everyone could just go about their business.
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From what I can tell:
Organizers for the expedition stated in clear terms that there was a dedicated PG to join with specific application process required to join it. Commanders who failed to read, failed to apply to the PG properly, failed to click the right game mode, failed a reality check where known griefers tell them that the "water is fine," or failed to do whatever else for whatever reason, showed up in Open mode despite being told that was the worst possible option. Some people are trying to pin the open mode victims' fates on the event organizers when realistically it's a textbook case of "you lead a horse to water but can't make him drink."
Bob Lighthouse
Banned
That seems utterly naive and irrational.
I think that's an entirely made up perspective in fact.
Do you have a shred of evidence to support that belief, aside from the "rare and meaningful" comment?
Everything else suggests just the opposite, and I think belief is a poor starting point.
I wasn't there myself¹ but from what I've seen in various threads on this forum:
- Apparently fleetcomm was infiltrated and there was at least one miscreant in the PG
- The mode structure failed and Open/Group/Solo merged such that people were instanced with others in different groups²
- Due to crashes, nobody knew what mode they were in and...
- The shops all ran out of salted popcorn and the servers needed to be taken offline while fresh was aquired.
No idea of course if any of this was true, innocent error, a rather early 1/4 event or Ed Lewis' leaving party... could have been anything.
¹ Something about avoiding shark infested waters during a feeding frenzy...
² I think young Mr Potter posted a video of that happening.
I can confirm the first point. Didn't experience points two and three. As for the fourth, well, I was eating pizza so wasn't interested in keeping up with the popcorn stocks.
That was pretty much my experience as well. I was in PG the whole time and though I did hear about the infiltrator1, the only issue faced was the server crash after the mass jump.
1 I did actually jump in and out of Brooks several times hoping to meet up with the infiltrator, in hopes of providing a distraction, because I knew my load-out was magnitudes more tanky than probably 98% of other attendees. Never actually fell into his instance, though (which well illustrates one of the problems facing the provision of "protection services" that some of the posters here are trying to smear the organizers for lacking).
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Bob Lighthouse
Banned
Hahaha, reminds of this:
[video=youtube;tjQfzfaA32M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjQfzfaA32M[/video]
Meanwhile, the wall has something to say:
[video=youtube;ZHwVBirqD2s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHwVBirqD2s[/video]
[video=youtube;ZHwVBirqD2s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHwVBirqD2s[/video]