If I wanted a 'radio-tuning' game I would have rather bought an old radio.

[IndigoWyrd]

I agree in the main... But hey we didn't ask for this FSS! They gave it to us and took the other away. You talk about 'building onto the FSS'. maybe they should have built the ADS into he FSS?

They did.

That does not negate that the entire thing is like some b-movie prop, that gives RSI and is a complete whack job to use in VR.

Incomprehensible, have you been drinking?

Let's be honest here, you say the ADS was featureless. OK. And the FSS is what? Feature rich? It's a screen for Christs sake that forces you to wander around with a hat switch and then press a button to zoom in or out. And all the while it's playing Frankenstein'esque noises. It's about as feature rich as a roll of wall paper.

You use a hat switch? No wonder you're having so much trouble with it. And yes, the ADS was completely featureless. It made a space-fart. The FSS makes a space-fart too, but it allows you to actually do something, other than just fan it towards someone, or huff it yourself. And I'll have you know, I've seen some very nice wallpaper in my time.

My real question tho is why they wasted resources on this at all. I mean really is that it? That's the 'exploration' add-on? A screen with squeaky noise effects?

There's a good bit more to it than that, and where was your thought-out, balanced, brilliant idea that would make exploring space some deeply meaningful and engaging activity that would make people want to do it?

Far more in-line would have been the ads + plush planetary probes and a huge list of procedural generated POI which could have been explored for materials or data or just credits. Instead what they did was just give a heap of credits to players for twiddling a few knobs and called it 'exploration'.

And how would you find these? How would you know where to spend your time probing? Not to mention, there's a lot more than just probing to find lists of POI's and a lot more to planets than just materials, data or credits. Ever land on a planet simply because it looks cool? Or perhaps because it has an interest series of ravines to drive or fly through? The "Instant Gratification Generation" sickens me.

I've seen more imagination in the bottom of a toilet bowl.

I'm sure you have, and it was probably put there by someone else.

 

[sollisb]

And how would you find these? How would you know where to spend your time probing? Not to mention, there's a lot more than just probing to find lists of POI's and a lot more to planets than just materials, data or credits. Ever land on a planet simply because it looks cool? Or perhaps because it has an interest series of ravines to drive or fly through? The "Instant Gratification Generation" sickens me.

Are you for real? FSS is the epitome of 'Instant Gratification' !!

Now you stop your ship and sit playing with buttons.

Prior to this I had to honk and then fly to the Planet to actually get first explored by. Now it's all done in one spot. And you come up with that nugget of 'instant gratification'?

 

[Stealthie]

Incomprehensible, have you been drinking?

I found it to be a perfectly coherent and apt sentence.

Operation of the FSS is very similar to the operation of some needlessly contrived gadget in a bad sci-fi movie, it does require the player to spend a lot of time moving the mouse around and, apparently, it's not terribly well-suited to VR.

I don't really approve of people just throwing mindless jibes around but if you couldn't understand the comment you quoted, maybe it's you who's been drinking to excess?

 

[IndigoWyrd]

Are you for real? FSS is the epitome of 'Instant Gratification' !!

Now you stop your ship and sit playing with buttons.

Prior to this I had to honk and then fly to the Planet to actually get first explored by. Now it's all done in one spot. And you come up with that nugget of 'instant gratification'?

Yet you still have to fly to the planet to map it. And you have to spend time locating and scanning each planet, instead of having them all served up to you on one 2d map. But we can agree to disagree here.

I found it to be a perfectly coherent and apt sentence.

I did not.

Operation of the FSS is very similar to the operation of some needlessly contrived gadget in a bad sci-fi movie, it does require the player to spend a lot of time moving the mouse around and, apparently, it's not terribly well-suited to VR.

I use a different device, an Avegant Glyph. In SBS 3D, this works delightfully. I can't speak for the performance in devices like the Oculus or the other thing that I've never seen, but that's neither here nor there. This is simply a YMMV situation. As for using a mouse... it's fine for clicking off screen to pull up these forums, or for launching the game, but as a gaming input device... bleh. I started on Mouse and Keyboard. By day 3 I'd gone HOTAS because I hated Mouse and Keyboard - and I've been a PC gamer for quite a while. Even on a SteelSeries 12,000 DPI mouse it feels sloppy to me. Again, YMMV.

I don't really approve of people just throwing mindless jibes around but if you couldn't understand the comment you quoted, maybe it's you who's been drinking to excess?

I don't really seek anyone's approval, and it was a jibe in humor, for something that still does not read well to me. What the hades is an RSI?

Let's come at this this way: Do you like cilantro?

Some people do, they love it in fact.
Others do not, to be precise, they hate it.

No one has ever been won over to the side of "I guess cilantro is ok." nor ever shifted towards "I guess cilantro is kind of bad."
I happen to dislike cilantro. You might not. I can no more convince you that cilantro is the devil's toilet paper than you convince me it is ambrosia.

We face the same situation here. Those who love the ADS and are in the first few stages of grief will never convince those of us who are glad to see it gone that they are "right". And we'll never convince them to stop grieving and celebrate the joy of the FSS. Thought we might not stop extending a hand and offering a shoulder to cry on to ease their suffering, because we're just nice people like that.

 

[Gut Rumble]

The FSS is just a time sink , so if you enjoy that , good for you. , fss is for getting cash , dss is for exploring .

 

[Tarman]

The FSS is just a time sink , so if you enjoy that , good for you. , fss is for getting cash , dss is for exploring .

We're pretending to be spacemen in the future. The entire thing is a timesink.

 

[[VR] Merkir]

We're pretending to be spacemen in the future. The entire thing is a timesink.

Who's pretending? I'm in VR.

 

[Faded Glory]

Those who love the ADS and are in the first few stages of grief will never convince those of us who are glad to see it gone that they are "right".

I don't think we're trying to convince you that we're right. We're just providing FD with some feedback.

And we'll never convince them to stop grieving and celebrate the joy of the FSS. Thought we might not stop extending a hand and offering a shoulder to cry on to ease their suffering, because we're just nice people like that.

Well, since we don't like the FSS, then I doubt we'll see the joy in it.

That said, it is nice of you (and others) to keep bumping the thread, since there are a few pretty good suggestions of how a system map reveal could be re-instated without ever having to be used by FSS lovers, and which would obviously not give those who chose to use it any advantage, since it's clearly not as efficient as using the FSS.

 

[IndigoWyrd]

I don't think we're trying to convince you that we're right. We're just providing FD with some feedback.

I would say at least a few are. And that feedback is two-pronged as well. There's just as much positive feedback in favor of the current system as there is negative feedback against it. Some is supported better than others on both sides.

Well, since we don't like the FSS, then I doubt we'll see the joy in it.

I do not like green eggs and ham, I do not like them Sam I Am.

Thing is, we've all had plain eggs and regular ham since the advent of the ADS. Some are accustomed to it and bound and determined to hold onto it simply to resist change. Some have presented positions based on something of merit. Some have argued simply to argue. No one's had green eggs and ham for very long, to give it a chance, even those of us who are loving our green eggs and ham may come to discover they like neither eggs nor ham of any particular color. Maybe a regular will try the green and find out they're really no different, just colored that way, and yes, I'm sure there's at least one who is allergic to FD&C Green #4. I say it's far to early to really tell. The dust is still settling, and we don't know what, if any, future plans are out there.

That said, it is nice of you (and others) to keep bumping the thread, since there are a few pretty good suggestions of how a system map reveal could be re-instated without ever having to be used by FSS lovers, and which would obviously not give those who chose to use it any advantage, since it's clearly not as efficient as using the FSS.

I can't argue there there have been some reasonable suggestions offered up - and will take credit for at least one of them. But in the end, we all still have to abide by what Frontier decides to do, and at some point move on to future content.

 

[Burke]

My real question tho is why they wasted resources on this at all. I mean really is that it? That's the 'exploration' add-on? A screen with squeaky noise effects?

They take their feedback from a forum that doesnt allow negative comments.... Thats why we got this thing. Look how many people would praise the FSS to troll a forum. I dont think FD can tell the difference.

 

[Thatchinho]

It's a screen for Christs sake that forces you to wander around with a hat switch and then press a button to zoom in or out.

Quick question (in a effort to extract something vaguely productive from the thread)... why are you feeling forced to use a hat switch? Not a HOTAS user myself, but have done a fair bit with the bindings and providing guidance on setting them up, and haven’t seen anything which would indicate being forced to use the hat switch for movement.

 

[Para Handy]

They take their feedback from a forum that doesnt allow negative comments.... Thats why we got this thing. Look how many people would praise the FSS to troll a forum. I dont think FD can tell the difference.

I think that they might look at the thread ans see a certain complainer has posted almost 250 times, nearly 100 more than the next, and say "Oh well ignore the whole thing it is just over-stuffed by people with certain viewpoints". Not that they would bother wading through over 150 pages of "Nouveau Hotel California" anyway.

 

[Scytale]

From a development perspective: Sounds good, doesn't work.

Oh... So you are a FDev ?

 

[Saool]

Can't disagree more with the OP. I love the new system. You can scan a 30-40 body system pretty quick once you get fully used to it. It would have taken you ages to do that in the old system (full scan). And if you just want to see what is in the system, you still just honk, jump into the FSS and see where the signal are. You can spot a WW or an ELW in seconds. It even tells you in the bottom right corner what it is going to be.

 

[Scytale]

Then you will love the incoming new "Extended FSS" ! Discover all the bodies of the MW without having to undock ! Flying to explore is sooo boring! Much better to sit on our butt playing a stupid point n' click dull minigame.

 

[S3B4ST13N]

Oh... So you are a FDev ?

I don't need to work for Frontier to speak from a development perspective.

 

[Enderby]

Lol the fss is so lame

 

[Scytale]

From a development perspective: Sounds good, doesn't work.

I don't need to work for Frontier to speak from a development perspective.

Aw.. Just another of the so many Mister...

Spoiler

 

[Burke]

I think that they might look at the thread ans see a certain complainer has posted almost 250 times, nearly 100 more than the next, and say "Oh well ignore the whole thing it is just over-stuffed by people with certain viewpoints". Not that they would bother wading through over 150 pages of "Nouveau Hotel California" anyway.

There are a few different threads tho. I keep entirely out of the others.

 

[Genie]

I get that this is not for everyone. Especially (as is eluded) that this can be seen as more tedious and frustrating. Yep, I guess in real life this sort of thing could be too.. SETI..(?) However in contrast for me what would be nice would be making it even more radio tuner based. I.e. Commanders finding the signal freqs, the type of modulation, signal / noise levels etc in order to properly analyse, discover, geolocate and move / point your ship to the right place in the system in order to discover that extra bit more (e.g. point away from a sun that would be giving you all that white noise). So there has to be a balance here and accept that it will suit some play styles more than others. They key is to keep the games options open, whether you are a radio ham kinda person or a "cut to the chase" kinda commander. Hence this update probably hasn't been designed to please everyone, but for general realism it's still way better than just pressing a discovery scan button and getting the basic whole system, and instantly (I do hate that discovery scan noise when it completes though). Moreover all this it's just inviting people to work a bit in order to discover more than they normally would(?) Plus I'm guessing it's better than some other games that currently don't even try this aspect.