I highly doubt an explanation would soothe any feelings. The people want it back just want it back, any explanation would end up with the same debate that's going on now with the same 'Give it back' sentiments.
If I wanted a 'radio-tuning' game I would have rather bought an old radio.
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I highly doubt an explanation would soothe any feelings. The people want it back just want it back, any explanation would end up with the same debate that's going on now with the same 'Give it back' sentiments.
No way, the last thing I ever associate the serial whingers with is having fun.
I think that the personal sleights present throughout this thread do not constitute a good argument.
The FSS is a poor interface, it is busy work for the sake of it & while the benefits of being able to scan at a distance and reveal fixed POIs are worthwhile benefits that undoubtedly have encouraged more players to try out exploration it did not need to be at the expense of any existing explorer because there is no balancing issue.
The few competitive aspects of exploration (first discoveries and tagging) are all about who can get there & back fastest to claim the tag, or who can jump the furthest to reach the system, not how long it takes to scan a body (which the new system massively improves).
There was no justification for removing the old process, it was simply overlooked and needs to be corrected.
This is really easy to understand and does not require any kind of comment on the person saying it. That people do not understand this is only an issue at all if they work at FDev.
I agree. No comment is required, they just need to put it back in to correct the oversight. No one suffers, no published deadlines are missed, no downside except a little less schadenfreude.
It was disliked/replaced because it was boring and shallow. It lacked engagement. Sure, some people didn't like the infinite range, but those people also had the other two scanners for that, while everyone else that thought was shallow had to deal with it.
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I guess I'm not a 'serial whinger' then, because up until 3.3 I WAS having fun. Then something changed. I wonder what it could have been.
I think that's commonly referred to as "Projection".
As M00ka pointed out, you keep making the claim that it was "needless", but, and to reinforce the point, you cannot demonstrate that this was, in fact, needless. You have not seen the Cobra Engine code, so you cannot say, with certainty, that there was not a definitive need to remove and replace this chunk of code with the new code that enables the functionality of the FSS.
Here is a Genuine Needless Removal: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...ndows-10/5196a147-0e17-40ec-9ba1-ea27b46388ac
For reasons undisclosed, at some indeterminate point in time Microsoft removed the Calculator application from Windows 10. This was not given in any update patch notes, it was simply done. And it was done in such as way as to leave Windows convinced said application was still installed. Ultimately this means a trip to the Windows Store, where you will see, regardless of your desires, advertisements for other Microsoft products, as well as other, similar applications from other partner sources and 3rd party sources.
I will stop you at this point, before you get over excited and point out that "they did provide a way to put it back." because that is not the point. There was NO reason for its removal in the first place - unlike the Charms of Windows Vista, which were removed because they were ultimately shown to be major security issue. The Calculator application was simply removed. There was no code-base issues, no operating problems, no security risks associated with it nor was anything offered or installed as a replacement for it.
The ADS was "removed", in the sense that it was transformed, into a non-module "Discovery Scanner" now built in to all ships. It's functionality was changed. Instead of providing a myopic gods-eye view of an entire system, it provided a highly detailed view of each body in the system, one body at a time. Binoculars were replaced by a high-powered telescope.
I still get that some people have a harder time with change than others. I kind of miss the big block of ice being delivered to my home every Wednesday... even though I don't really have room for it, or need of it in my deep well freezer these days.
I guess the best we can really compare this situation to is circumcision. I get that you're screaming "put it back", but I question the practicality. This is also something nobody bothered to ask you if you wanted (if it applies to you - it does apply to hundreds of millions around the world), and has some scientific, medical support that demonstrates it is not needless (it has been shown to tremendously reduce the risk of certain cancers), as well as have hygienic benefits.
As noted, unless you actually know the Cobra Engine Code, you cannot claim removal was "needless", much like knowing not only the odds, but the exact conditions that cause those certain forms of cancer.
reddit is a circle jerk by design. Any online forum whose default view is to show the most liked comments first and which is packed with people who will downvote anything which they perceive as being negative, which is often anything that isn't blowing smoke up the dev's back passages, will always be one.
It cracks me up when people refer to this forum as being 'toxic' because when you actually read it, even on here the majority of posts are either positive, or negative but constructive. People tend to forget that Dangerous Discussion is not the entirety of the official forums. It's just not an echo chamber for people whose life ambition is to have a game of soggy biscuit with the dev team.
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It was disliked/replaced because people thought it was boring and shallow. They did not engage with it. I find half hour PvP fights boring & shallow, I find mining boring & shallow, others don't.
There was no need to remove the old stuff.
I think you're confusing the TOOLS with the GAMEPLAY.
As a tool, the ADS wasn't engaging, but the gameplay it facilitated was. That's why people spent thousands of hours exploring before 3.3.
As a tool, the FSS is more interactive and provides its own gameplay -which is why some people find it engaging - but it comes at the expense of flying your ship around, which is where 'old school' explorers found their gameplay.
It's not beyond the capabilities of FDev to provide a solution to this conundrum which retains the gameplay of the FSS with the gameplay of flying your ship.
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No you think it is a poor interface but for you that justifies FD doing what could be a lot of extra work just to make YOU happy. And the ADS wasn't overlooked, it was deemed OBSOLETE, as in NO LONGER REQUIRED. If FD thought that in any way shape or form the ADS was still valid in the game they undoubtedly would have retained it as they did with the old mining tools. But in this case, FD made the decision (whether you think it is good or bad is a moot point) to get rid of the ADS and concentrate of the FSS/DSS mechanics.
Nope its four years of giggling at the same people losing it about the same trivialities over and over again. I've always found video game tantrums funny.
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At Frontier, giving out *any* information puts you in the Tower Of London...
There was no engagement to be had. You held a button and had the entire system in view, then afk supercruised to bodies for an idle deep scan. You can see what they alleviated in the design. Though, yes, with what they alleviated they added another issue in that people don't feel a reason to fly to bodies anymore. Of course, there's planetary mapping, but I suppose that isn't the same as the way it was for people. They could probably incorporate some sort of 'black body' feature to the initial FSS scan so that people wanting to fly to the bodies like before can do that, but I'm in no position to suggest it's possible. Simply adding the ADS back into the game might add a conflict they don't want to deal with though.
Nomination for Best Post Of Q1.
FDev could have saved some time and made more people happy, but they overlooked it (or spotted it too late to make the initial release). It just needs to be fixed, and it won't take much time. There are no issues with delays because no deadlines have been announced.
There is no downside to having the ADS in the game, it was simply overlooked and needs to be put right.
Idk, we're at an impasse because I fly my ship just fine while exploring with the FSS so I can't empathize with the issue you're experiencing there.
My gameplay loop is to arrive at the system, drop an initial scan, move a bit so the star isn't in the way of scanning, scan all the bodies in the system, determine which planets I want to investigate further and map, fly to those bodies and then determine if I want to proceed planetside to investigate any signals I've revealed. Plenty of flying my ship involved there.
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Exactly. It doesn't even function when your ship is moving above a crawl. That's how connected the FSS is to flying your ship.
When I had my ham radio shack, I used multiple third party apps connected to my rigs. QRP (low power) operations were my thing. Bringing signals above the noise floor was a fun challenge. Automatic search patterns were normal.
This radio game isn't nearly as fun.
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