No I don't because all the old ways of playing still work other than all the planets showing on the system map right after the honk...… which isn't really exploring is it?
If I wanted a 'radio-tuning' game I would have rather bought an old radio.
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No I don't because all the old ways of playing still work other than all the planets showing on the system map right after the honk...… which isn't really exploring is it?
See, that's interesting, but i don't think its the ultimate truth. What you're seeing as a symptom is really because of 2 things:
- Frontier not shutting it down themselves. Look, people are quoting frontier on other topics in this thread. There's nothing on this. So while the issue is still technically open, its right to talk about it.
- White knights providing epic fuel for the fire because objectively the requests people are making are very reasonable in the context of players perspectives, and its too easy to reply when people are being told they are not.
There's in hand evidence: "these people don't have to use it? why not us!?!"
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Did I speak of the "old way" ?
Is scanning the system at a standstill and discovering quite everything, by playing a stupid minigame, "exploring" ? Without even moving?
I understand you can't understand. You simply can't.
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You aren't really discovering everything, though. You might see the location of some "notable stellar phenomenon", but you won't actually know what it is until you go explore it. You might see that a planet has biological phenomena on its surface, but you won't know exactly where and what they are until you go explore them.
Yes it is! Welcome to geophysics (and astrophysics), and all remote sensing! We can explore all we want with our bums firmly planted in our seats in our very stationary offices. Why would that have changed over the next 1000 years? They do though go to locations from time to time for a closer look and to meet up with geologists like yours truly so we can tell them why they are wrong.
The new exploration system is a nice approximation to modern RL exploration. Sure, a lot of things could be automated - but I don't want a game that can just play itself entirely. And sure it would be nice if we could use the FSS at speed so we could whine horribly here in the forum that it is really hard to click on things moving relative to us. But the FSS/DSS combo feels more "real" to me, and a lot more satisfactory to use compared the old spreadsheet generator.
And for the complaint that mining got to keep the mining laser while exploration lost the god-honk: Well, there is still a use for the mining laser (Materials mining). There is no use for the god-honk.
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FD came to the forums over two months ago, and said they knew some people dont like the ADS being removed, that they gave it some thought and decided to remove it anyway. They couldnt have been any clearer about this. They literally said they knew some were unhappy about it, they literally said they were going to do it anyway. The issue isn't 'technically still open', and it hasnt been open for months.
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Yes it is! Welcome to geophysics (and astrophysics), and all remote sensing! We can explore all we want with our bums firmly planted in our seats in our very stationary offices. Why would that have changed over the next 1000 years? They do though go to locations from time to time for a closer look and to meet up with geologists like to so we can tell them why they are wrong.
The new exploration system is a nice approximation to modern RL exploration. Sure, a lot of things could be automated - but I don't want a game that can just play itself entirely. And sure it would be nice if we could use the FSS at speed so we could whine horribly here in the forum that it is really hard to click on things moving relative to us. But the FSS/DSS combo feels more "real" to me, and a lot more satisfactory to use compared the old spreadsheet generator.
And for the complaint that mining got to keep the mining laser while exploration lost the god-honk: Well, there is still a use for the mining laser (Materials mining). There is no use for the god-honk.
Then you all will love the "Extended FSS" coming with the new patch ! "Explore" the whole MW while still undocked at Eravate !
Will it not be coool ?
Enjoy !
Did I say "everything" or "quite everything" ?
Thank you for explaining me the difference between what I said and what you are saying.
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You can already do that:
Browse the galaxy map
Right, and I would have loved a fog- of-war GalMap.
There already is:
Well-explored systems can be browsed straight away. Systems you have visited and sold data for can be browsed as well. Less known systems cannot be browsed.
SIt's highly likely that by the year 3305 humans will probably already know the location, mass, and atmospheric composition of most of the planets in the MW. The real exploration will be traveling to the planets, mapping them and looking for surface features, and with any luck, evidence of life and/or other civilizations. Kind of like what the new FSS/DSS is designed for.
We are playing games of 2019. I doubt the 3305 guys will play this kind of game !
Anyway, the keyword is "play". Not what you are contemplating in your cristal ball.
And for some of us, the FSS gameplay is a disgusting boil right on the face of the superb Stellar Forge.
Anyway, the keyword is "play". Not what you are contemplating in your cristal ball.
And for some of us, the FSS gameplay is a disgusting boil right on the face of the superb Stellar Forge.
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I don’t think they were talking about the ads.
But fine I’ll take the everything for nothing at all mode that combat player got along with the fss, and you can keep the god mode rewards to the fss, really that’s not a problem. Happy to play the spaceship game as it is for the rest of the way.
Wanna buy my Sony radio from 1979? It works perfectly, though doesn't receive anything anymore, of course? It's very good looking however.
Then you better stop using the FSD since that's magic in 2019.
But seriously, I would contend that the ADS is a boil on the face of the Stellar Forge, it's a magic tool that allows you to almost instantly discover the majority of a system's bodies and characteristics with no effort. The FSS is a remote sensing/telescopic device that requires you to search for the bodies in a system, it's a bit more believable than the ADS was. I can see how some can see the interface as undesirable, I can hope that FD will find a better way to implement the feature but returning the ADS as it was is something I hope never happens.
And again and again and again...
[haha][haha][haha]Did I ever mention the ADS ????
No? Then why do you quote me ?
Enjoy your allmighty FSS and forget about me, please.
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Can you provide a citation please? I believe you are paraphrasing information from before the beta, and that the situation changed in beta. There was no need to remove the ADS, FDev went to great lengths to minimise the impact on any existing playstyles, it was an oversight.
Had to + it. I brought up Lewis and Clark a while back, to wit one of the thread regulars said something about them actually going to Louisiana, instead of viewing it from Washington DC. Well that may have been true, but they also didn't walk outside, fart once, and see where everything in the US was either.
It was not then, is not now, nor will it ever be an oversight.
o·ver·sight
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an unintentional failure to notice or do something.
The only thing anyone "failed" to do was to take bad advice from the forum. The FSS was totally intentional, as was the removal of the ADS.
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Mind if I explain, Scytale?
If I can just give you a quick run through...
There's a variety of issues at play, and they're all getting tied in together.
Firstly, what you need to know is that bodies only appear after the honk if they've previously been discovered (as in been Level 2 or Level 3 scanned and had the data handed in to UC) by another cmdr.
What that means is that for bodies or systems which have not previously been discovered, the only way to find the bodies is via the FSS.
Now, the second point is that the FSS effectively takes you out of the cockpit into another view, and as above that becomes unavoidable.
So here's the problem(s):
- For some exploration is about flying their ship - they can't explore undiscovered systems that way any more
- Some people simply really don't like the FSS interface - again they can't avoid it for undiscovered systems (or bodies)
- For others exploration is primarily about finding unique system configurations (say like 5 level nested orbits), or peculiar/unusual planetary situations (binaries in very close/fast orbits) and things like that - previously these could be identified relatively quickly by looking at the system map after the honk. As per above though, that's not possible for undiscovered systems and people have to scan the system via the FSS before they can see the system map. The primary issue here is that because these people are looking for things which are very very rare, they are looking to optimise the search, which means taking the minimum time in what to them are non-interesting systems - having to fully scan the system via FSS before viewing the sysmap can mean they're held back significantly.
And in addition, for some it's a combination of the above.
Anyway, I hope that all makes sense - could you let me know either way?
(Also, for everyone else, if I've missed anything significant, please chip in.)
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