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Yoga pants and griefing.
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Bob Lighthouse
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I am being perfectly consistent, straightforward and simply responding to the (same old) nonsense presented.
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I AM doing very well, thank you very much!
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Bob Lighthouse
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Also this nonsense:
LOL
That is called "making stuff up".
It can be "no reason at all".
Competition and game progress are red herrings.
LOL
That is called "making stuff up".
It can be "no reason at all".
Competition and game progress are red herrings.
I let the first mention of the death threats passi wanted others to confirm it as well. Yes i have seen this going on, with some gripers, and they act like they are surprised.
Now i'm not saying its okay to do, but we have to remember that different people have different social skills (we are expected to accept this with commanders that act in a anti-social manner, but not for the people that get upset). Griefers are well aware of the frustration and upset they cause, they dream of getting 'the death threat' as it puts them in complete control of the situation, even validating their work (''Its only a game, why you so mad'').
But, its like kicking a dog and then getting anger that it bites you. I have watched in DW2, griefers torment commanders, even one , over and over... In the hopes of 'braking them' and getting a TOS braking reaction. Rules are rules, if it happens in game, report it, but most griefers wont, as they may cut of the source of their enjoyment.
If players stopped reacting like they did, griefers would have nothing. so its goes unreported (as far as i have seen). Instead, the violation is used to blackmail, its held over the commander that got upset.... Now the griefer is in control. This is not the way the game should be used, and it is indeed worrying. I was hoping a few people on the griefing side would expose and conform this for me, ty
No one should ever threaten physical harm over a game, but people get very upset and say silly things they would probably never carry out. The griefer are well aware of this, and the outrage is all an act
The people getting griefer need to realise its not the end of the world, and not to react to the griefer, but the griefers are not innocent in their actions... they are not just playing the game... they are using it as a tool to bully (I am not referring to PvP, casual ganking, piracy... they are all cool.. but some people take it to far)
Bulling is not okay, after all, its just a game
You do seem to understand it better than most but comparing it to bullying is just wrong. On a school yard, bullying takes place without the victim being able to do something about it. There is consequence for not visiting the school yard and being exposed.
Gaming, however, is purely optional and everyone has a choice and can take appropiate actions to avoid unpleasant gameplay (this is subjectively defined and thus, a general objective solution is impossible too). In the case of Elite, players do have the choice of not playing in open but choose PG or Solo instead... Or not play the game at all. Actual and real victims of bullying don't have a choice, griefer victims do.
Or in other words: Video Game Griefing is a first world problem and thus, no problem at all. Players do have a choice and they do know the consequences. There is absolutely no need to waste resources for that matter, especially not if the "victims" are rarely the ones that play b the (game-)rules.
Lastly, griefers follow the gamerules, period. Most of the "victims" do not. And bullying doesn't exist in Elite. It simply doesn't even to a degree where you could consider calling it like that.
And no, this is not subjectively defined. If it would I could potentionally call anything bullying.
It's a video game, as you have realized, so treat it like that. If the griefer's victims don't treat a video game as a video game then that certainly isn't the problem of the griefer.
Oh, and the reason why harrassment isn't reported is because FDev barely takes action on reports of any kind. Maybe cheaters but that's it. Combat logging, harrassment, exploiting etc. Doesn't get punished. Noone reports because quite frankly, noone takes FDev seriously when it comes to consequences and this has been tested by the griefer community multiple times with the same result.
Griefers are good if you look at it rationally, without emotion.
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i don't know what to do here? we are not even talking about the same point anymore.
you seem to be talking about what's in the rules and PvP and i was talking about the motives of griefer. I cant debate you when we are talking about too different topics.
The motives of the griefer i outlined has nothing to do with the rules, or even the game its self, as its just a tool.
Bob Lighthouse
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That's my point.
You're bringing up stuff that doesn't matter, like motivation.
Acting like that is somehow relevant is making stuff up.
Bob Lighthouse
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Bob Lighthouse
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What we really need are some trophies!
And a wall to put them on.
Forget space legs, we need space heads, to take.
And a wall to put them on.
Forget space legs, we need space heads, to take.
I would agreed that playground bullying is a very different thing. in the game we have a case where people are putting them selves in a situation in which they can be upset easy... that is their problem, not the grifers fault, not the rules, not the game,but...
Grifers feed of these sort of people, as a source of entertainment. They know that they can upset a player with simple actions. Upset them in RL (yes that's the players problem, not the game), so they then become a target (specially if they can get the reactions on stream
). This is bulling.. torment someone for your own entertainment (not saying its against the rules, not saying it should be banned)My point here has been to point out the motive of some grifers.. can help others when they understand what is going on.
The Rules are a griefer's best friend. They normally know the rules better than the person being griefed. I would not want to see any changes to the rules, just to deal with an issue that not so much to do with the game but with the people (meh, people). Games can get to tied down, to protect people that need to grow a thicker skin or learn to deal with reality...
I'm not arguing PvP, Rules or anything like that.... just the motives.
why did you come here if you don't want to talk about the topic i set out?
Bob Lighthouse
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I am doing so to speak out against the falsehoods you are presenting.
It's also because of the Brandolini principle.
If you, or anyone else, should glean some benefit from that exercise, that would be nice too.
Also, yoga pants!!!
(I think these are my favorite!)
I think its this what makes people mad- trying to attach a reason (of their own making) to an act that has no context. Sometimes bad things just happen, and in a game with no set rules in general play thats going to happen an awful lot. In ED player killing is an empty gesture outside of Powerplay or organised fights- its not RP, its just someone in a better ship and the wrong time.
but random killing is not what i referred too. I was talking about the salt miners, and their motives, which are out there for all to see, as they like to stream it (if your not streaming it, that some low level salt mining
).It's part of the entertainment, some of the streamer are very open about this and don't hide their motives and if you listen to them for hours on end (i know, i need to get a life) you get to hear what gets them excited and what irritates them.. So its not guess work, but a review of what i saw happening.
I'm not hear to ask for change (which is what i think has some people on guard), or say one side is right or wrong... but out of my own interest, i looked at what was motivating such people and then felt like sharing
And it would seem, to some griefers, who say ''it's just a game''... it's so much more than just a game to them
Hence, the yoga pants
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ESL=Electronic Sports League? Stopped playing there years ago. Anyway, this is the post I was referring to:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...update-Reiteration-of-player-harassment-rules
PS
Just searched Urban Dictionary, ESL = English as second language?
That's one of the stupidest arguments I ever heard of.
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but random killing is not what i referred too. I was talking about the salt miners, and their motives, which are out there for all to see, as they like to stream it (if your not streaming it, that some low level salt mining
It's part of the entertainment, some of the streamer are very open about this and don't hide their motives and if you listen to them for hours on end (i know, i need to get a life) you get to hear what gets them excited and what irritates them.. So its not guess work, but a review of what i saw happening.
I'm not hear to ask for change (wish is what i thing has some people on guard), or say one side is right or wrong... but out of my own interest, i looked at what was motivating such people and then felt like sharing
And it would seem, to some griefers, who say ''it's just a game''... it's so much more than just a game to them
The answer to your question is easy, some people just enjoy killing others and have a laugh at other peoples misfortunes. Victims don't like it because they are irritated that someone has invaded their game, when in Open neither party is right or wrong.
Ummm....let me be frank.
No.
No.
Hi Frank! I'm Biff!
