[Video] Griefing : is there a problem?!

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careful there, nothing good ever came out of considering those who think differently to be 'flawed' or 'damaged'. that's actually the first step of dehumanization.

it's ok to have your own view, even your most precious morals, but if you start to call people with different perceptions just 'sick' you are basically making a statement about your own narrowmindedness.
I had to recheck that. "people fun than you're just sick" is a great phrase. It almost means nothing.

Twisting my melon man.
 
Very much this. Well said.

For anyone who doubts this, go out to a lawful system and gank 10 smaller ships in rapid succession. You'll notice your ganker ship ain't worth much anymore, and is actually a liability to fly given some "unfortunate circumstance" befalls you.

Again, what was someone saying about Anarchy space being worthless....?

Your average cbear would rather hide in solo and cry on the forums than actually taking responsibility for their own safety or punishing a pvper.
 
Making excuses to destroy exploration ships is the problem.

If you build correctly, and properly, you don't need any of that junk you mentioned. Running full-sized core internals on my Krait Phantom(a proper explorer compared to a mkII btw) and I can still hit roughly 60lyr without needing all that extra crap you said. Point Defense is useless as my G5 clean drives alone is more than enough to outrun pretty much everything in the game. And if it isn't, then I can silent run for days with my blue thrusters to mask that stupid engine trail somewhat.

You are expecting FDev to police human nature and it's a waste of time. Man has been trying to police morality and behavior for centuries. It can't be done. There will always be baddies. There will always be people who F with you for no good reason or for sh*t$ and giggles. Crying about it gets you nowhere and serves no purpose. Being a big boy and do something or keep complaining about how the game or life or people are meanies. The latter won't change anything.
 
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They are.

Clean drives trade reduced thermal load while accelerating in normal space (noticeable while boosting or on high-g planets) and better durability for increased power consumption (which means increased passive thermal load) and reduced speed vs. dirty drives.

Simple fact is that they don't pollute space.

Uhh...

FSD disruptors can be outran by a stock type 9 with 2E thrusters. Therefore useless against a ship such as a Krait Phantom.

FSD disruptor is a dumbfire missile with a 750m/s velocity.

Yet again, I see nothing that is solid evidence in favor of your supposed "correct way" to build an exploration. All I see was personal preference-based build advice, nothing that is undeniably good at handling everything one will ever need for exploration at any given moment

I made no claim to a correct way, nor did I claim my preferences were other than my preferences.

Of course, the ships I explore with are more likely to survive hostile CMDR encounters (though you don't need much to make a fast ship survivable) and again, the survival of my ship is one of my main priorities while exploring.
 
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It's a bit weak IMO. But I can understand that some people should be fine with that.
And there might be reasons, more than we can understand, to why players choose to go to the "dark side". Who am I to judge? Also, I consider "Open" as the open forum of free speech in society. I dislike and despise what some people say and think, but having free speech is more important than to silence their voices.

In Open, if griefing was cracked down on, you bet normal, healthy, non-evil kind'a PvP will suffer too as a result, and in the end, no griefing will lead to no PvP combat at all. We all will be forced to "get along". Piracy dead, unless it's against NPCs. Combat, only with NPCs. Any shooting another player, insta-death and prison for million years. Fine, griefing is gone. But so is a large portion of all other play.

With that said, Open being fine for griefing in my book, PGs that have specifically said you're not allowed to do it, that's another issue, because it's a breach of the "contract" by the player, not the avatar/character/role-play, and that shows a person's intent reaches beyond just role-play.

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Sorry for the hyberbolic rant. :) I just feel they fit for a part in the game that is interesting and challenging, and wouldn't want it any other way.
 
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Yamiks did say in his video that's it's up to the game developers to design the game so that players don't #### each other. (I agree)
Fdev you reading this
 
Not true at all. I will read PvP threads with interest, the fellers there really put out quality, but when it gets down to how many MegaJouls a shield puts out, or damage per second weapons deal out, I kinda zone out. When have I ever discussed combat?

The subjects we talk about aren't about combat.

I do refuse, because I refuse the engineering grind, as I refuse the ranking grind, as I refuse the guardian grind.

The result is, I don't have that nice bonus LYs on my FSD drive, I don't have a Cutter or a Vette, and when exploring, I will stay out of Open.

For someone who can't be bothered to do at least 3/4 of what the game has to offer, you sure are vocal about it.

Even Stigbob did the guardian sites, and he complains about PvPers almost as much as you do.

It's not that hard.

Even I did it (in a single try, btw) for that sweet fsd booster.

At least we're clear on your qualifications now. :cool:
 
im a role play pirate, bgs and power play player i also do organised pvp but never been a ganker never agreed with it and would never have done it BUT! the explorers on here, reddit and in live streams have been the most toxic, childish cry babies i have ever seen in my 30 years of gaming some of the comments and real life threats i have seen are disgusting you deserve to be ganked purely based on that

you are the reason that a non ganker like myself and many others have now followed distant ganks. iv been out there 2hours now and im on my 6th murder the salt is tastier than i ever though it would be.
 
Players banding together in private groups so they can play this game without harassment is the players solution.Fdev gave them a faulty PG mechanic that allows players to break group rules.
 
For someone who can't be bothered to do at least 3/4 of what the game has to offer, you sure are vocal about it.
That's not 3/4 of what the game has to offer love.

You really only spend 1/4 of your game time doing other stuff? You must be bored :)
At least we're clear on your qualifications now. :cool:
Indeed. Won't grind.

Tell you what, if you find a post from me acting as if I know anything about engineering, ranking or guardianing I'll give you a hug. [heart]
 
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For someone who can't be bothered to do at least 3/4 of what the game has to offer, you sure are vocal about it.

Even Stigbob did the guardian sites, and he complains about PvPers almost as much as you do.

It's not that hard.

Even I did it (in a single try, btw) for that sweet fsd booster.

At least we're clear on your qualifications now. :cool:

Wrote the definitive guardian site guide you mean. I never complain about PVP'ers, I just taunt some of them when they are being very whiney indeed about other players menu choices. No issues with PVP here.

I'm not a fan of cheats and station griefers which causes confusion as they pretend to be PVP'ers in the forum.
 

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im a role play pirate, bgs and power play player i also do organised pvp but never been a ganker never agreed with it and would never have done it BUT! the explorers on here, reddit and in live streams have been the most toxic, childish cry babies i have ever seen in my 30 years of gaming some of the comments and real life threats i have seen are disgusting you deserve to be ganked purely based on that

you are the reason that a non ganker like myself and many others have now followed distant ganks. iv been out there 2hours now and im on my 6th murder the salt is tastier than i ever though it would be.

Makes you want to just go out and start pulling triggers, don't it?

Welcome to the expedition.
 
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im a role play pirate, bgs and power play player i also do organised pvp but never been a ganker never agreed with it and would never have done it BUT! the explorers on here, reddit and in live streams have been the most toxic, childish cry babies i have ever seen in my 30 years of gaming some of the comments and real life threats i have seen are disgusting you deserve to be ganked purely based on that

you are the reason that a non ganker like myself and many others have now followed distant ganks. iv been out there 2hours now and im on my 6th murder the salt is tastier than i ever though it would be.
Lol, what a show of maturity... [haha]
 

Can you PM me some links? would be interesting to see what the other half have been getting up to. In fairness though am sure it is only a minority that are overreacting with death threats etc.
 
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