[Video] Griefing : is there a problem?!

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

im a role play pirate, bgs and power play player i also do organised pvp but never been a ganker never agreed with it and would never have done it BUT! the explorers on here, reddit and in live streams have been the most toxic, childish cry babies i have ever seen in my 30 years of gaming some of the comments and real life threats i have seen are disgusting you deserve to be ganked purely based on that

you are the reason that a non ganker like myself and many others have now followed distant ganks. iv been out there 2hours now and im on my 6th murder the salt is tastier than i ever though it would be.

I dont blame this guy one bit. Kill em all!

 

[Deleted member 115407]

Can you PM me some links? would be interesting to see what the other half have been getting up to. In fairness though am sure it is only a minority that are overreacting with death threats etc.

I can look for some. We've compiled quite a bit.

You're right though, it's mostly just toxic talk. Not a lot of death threats, though I think at least one. Give me some time and I'll get you the links. Might be late this evening or tomorrow.

 

[777Driver]

I can look for some. We've compiled quite a bit.

You're right though, it's mostly just toxic talk. Not a lot of death threats, though I think at least one. Give me some time and I'll get you the links. Might be late this evening or tomorrow.

Cheers mate, good to see you around too.

 

[Strangepork]

I used to really despise and dislike griefers and what they did, but over time I've come to appreciate that they're in Elite. It makes it so much more interesting.

i totally agree.

 

[Red Rocket]

im a role play pirate, bgs and power play player i also do organised pvp but never been a ganker never agreed with it and would never have done it BUT! the explorers on here, reddit and in live streams have been the most toxic, childish cry babies i have ever seen in my 30 years of gaming some of the comments and real life threats i have seen are disgusting you deserve to be ganked purely based on that

you are the reason that a non ganker like myself and many others have now followed distant ganks. iv been out there 2hours now and im on my 6th murder the salt is tastier than i ever though it would be.

What a bunch of RUBBISH

 

[Deleted member 115407]

Cheers mate, good to see you around too.

You too, man!

 

[jasonbarron]

I used to really despise and dislike griefers and what they did, but over time I've come to appreciate that they're in Elite. It makes it so much more interesting.

Careful there, Han, because that's how it begins for some of us.
[video=youtube;GgnClrx8N2k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgnClrx8N2k[/video]

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

What a bunch of RUBBISH

What he says resonates with me as well.

Ive never ever played a game to grief someone. As a matter of fact I have never done it before this game. I always just played the games, I either defend myself or fought for something.

With the way this game is built. Its so easy to farm salt off people. The issue is people dont want to lose. And they can be pretty toxic, hell if anyone has done powerplay. I am sure they have run across someone calling someone else some names, called a griefer and so on. Because the guy getting shot at refuses to understand what they signed up for.

Because of this, the majority of the community shuns PVP because they dont need to it accomplish their goals. And PVP itself, well theres pretty much only arranged PVP with the same FDL/Chieftain. Or kicking the hell out of explorers and looking for specific screen names to blow up because they fight against winning and losing in this game. While calling everyone else names because they limited their own experiences.

You cant blame the people that understand the game. And you cant blame the people going and getting revenge on them either.

I've never done this stuff before. Hell I teamkilled a guy that UA bombed us in another game because I couldn't kill him in this one. Funny thing was he joined me and my squad. He was coming for me and I ended up getting him first.

https://clips.twitch.tv/EndearingElegantJamPeteZaroll

And it felt FanFlippinTastic.

 

[Zaphod Hawke]

That's not 3/4 of what the game has to offer love.

You really only spend 1/4 of your game time doing other stuff? You must be bored

Indeed. Won't grind.

Tell you what, if you find a post from me acting as if I know anything about engineering, ranking or guardianing I'll give you a hug. [heart]

The grind is in your mind.

I don't want the hug, but I've seen plenty of posts where you act as if you know something about PvP, when it's clear you don't even know the third thing about escaping from a PvP engagement (the first two things being "go solo" and "go pg", which you clearly have a handle on).

Wrote the definitive guardian site guide you mean. I never complain about PVP'ers, I just taunt some of them when they are being very whiney indeed about other players menu choices. No issues with PVP here.

Perhaps you did.

But I meant no such thing.

Never heard of the Stigbob guide.

I used Exigeous' guides.

Maybe Ziggy should try those?

Anyway...

Interesting that you keep referring to pretend PvP'ers.

I don't know a single PvPer who has ever seen you in open, but hey.

I don't know them all...

:x

 

[Han Zulu]

Careful there, Han, because that's how it begins for some of us.

I suspect as much. The slow transition to the dark side...

 

[Han Zulu]

There will always be baddies.

Sorry, but I can't stop thinking of Mitchell and Webb.

[video=youtube;hn1VxaMEjRU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU[/video]

 

[tactical bacon]

 

[Han Zulu]

BUT! the explorers on here, reddit and in live streams have been the most toxic, childish cry babies i have ever seen in my 30 years of gaming some of the comments and real life threats i have seen are disgusting you deserve to be ganked purely based on that

I hope you see that the majority of the explorers in DW2 have not complained, and several, like myself support both the PvP and griefers in the game.

 

[Havvk]

Though I'm not sure what the point of this tangent is, I want to point out that you're wrong here. Offenders only face consequences if they get caught, which in real life, is usually varying degrees of uncommon. A large portion of crime is never reported, a large portion of reported crime is never investigated, a large portion of investigations never result in an arrest, and many arrests never result in conviction.

Even if we're speaking of crimes as serious as murder a significant minority, or even a plurality, of murders don't result in convictions in first world, western, democracies. In most of the world, getting away with murder is the rule, not the exception.



How is this reason for CMDRs to allow themselves to be victimized?

You're not getting what I'm talking about. How about make the c&p actually work, or just completely remove it altogether.

 

[Sooden]

I hope you see that the majority of the explorers in DW2 have not complained, and several, like myself support both the PvP and griefers in the game.

The ones that scream and shout are the least of anyone's worries. Just heat of the moment stuff...not as if they are really going to seek people out (especially after posting it publicly)

It's the quiets ones, the ones that don't complain; that we should be worried about

 

[Han Zulu]

It's the quiets ones, the ones that don't complain; that we should be worried about

Because they will turn... to evil!!! Muahaha!!!

My view is, don't change Open, there actually are players who don't do griefing or PvP but love to play in Open for the challenge to avoid the griefers. But do add some PvP-flag and other flags to the PGs. Make the PGs into true player-groups, so players can choose.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

I hope you see that the majority of the explorers in DW2 have not complained, and several, like myself support both the PvP and griefers in the game.

I have had a handful of friendly post-gank interactions. I really like those ones.

Always happy to chat with someone who is pleasant and doesn't take it personally.

 

[Sysmon]

Because they will turn... to evil!!! Muahaha!!!

My view is, don't change Open, there actually are players who don't do griefing or PvP but love to play in Open for the challenge to avoid the griefers. But do add some PvP-flag and other flags to the PGs. Make the PGs into true player-groups, so players can choose.

Adding PvP flags, even to PGs, would lower the simulation standard of the game. Yes, it is in many respect an MMO, but that doesn't mean we should be able to fly through each other and only be able to hit enemies.

S

 

[Sooden]

Because they will turn... to evil!!! Muahaha!!!

My view is, don't change Open, there actually are players who don't do griefing or PvP but love to play in Open for the challenge to avoid the griefers. But do add some PvP-flag and other flags to the PGs. Make the PGs into true player-groups, so players can choose.

yup, agree, it's fun (if you know how to survive)... even have an second account that is open only.

What has happend in DW2 isn't representative of the game in whole. The event became a magnet for attention, then evolved into a battle of moral high ground.

Apart from a few tactics, everything looks fine to me... we can't help players that get upset, especially if they play in open, but its understandable if they got upset when ganked in fleetcom. That was taking advantage of unaware targets, with a false sense of security, believing that the groups rules had any sort of authority.... so, they got frustrated and upset, and that became self fuelling, and then we saw some terrible comments from some explorers.

Still, the gankers and grifers knew exactly what they where up to, and some wish for such 'over the top' reactions.. then they act as if it 'out of order', taking the moral high ground.

There is no right or wrong here, as far as i can see. Just that different people want different things from the game, and some don't understand why other would want to upset them so much... after all, its just a game

 

[Han Zulu]

Adding PvP flags, even to PGs, would lower the simulation standard of the game. Yes, it is in many respect an MMO, but that doesn't mean we should be able to fly through each other and only be able to hit enemies.

S

That's true, there could be some issues with it. Very true. And considering those kind of issues, adding that to Open, brute forced for everyone, to ensure no "griefing", then it would be even worse. No choice at all, so it better not happen. It's easier just to accept what Open is. It is what it is. Newbies just need to know what to expect and what the options are.