large ship while having the rank of harmless = void opal mining or any other money making scheme. Its teh way the game works. These Harmless anacondas and cutters and what not are one of the easiest targets in the game.
add new module - Anti FSD Interdictor
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TheMegaTurnip
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And they should be targeted.
Don't get me wrong, I'l not hit noobs in any other class of ship, but the big ones? You bet i'm hittin those.
Abuse a gold rush, get hit.
I don't think high payouts should even be remotely achieveable before a certain rank.
When I wrote I grew up I meant - I reached a certain rank. I saved a lot of money and made a lot of improvements with the engineer.
I never wrote about total annihilation, I wrote about the fact that my heavy ship, small ships must be destroyed long enough for me to make a decision on a tactical retreat. If they want to quickly destroy a heavy ship, even if there are large ships in the link.
I recently returned after my next mission, and flew to Anarchy where it was dangerous.
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{ "timestamp":"2019-01-30T18:59:49Z", "event":"CrimeVictim", "Offender":"H1pp1", "CrimeType":"interdiction", "Fine":200 }
{ "timestamp":"2019-01-30T19:00:16Z", "event":"Interdicted", "Submitted":false, "Interdictor":"H1pp1", "IsPlayer":true, "CombatRank":8 }
{ "timestamp":"2019-01-30T19:00:18Z", "event":"SupercruiseExit", "StarSystem":"Shinrarta Dezhra", "SystemAddress":3932277478106, "Body":"Founders World", "BodyID":14, "BodyType":"Planet" }
{ "timestamp":"2019-01-30T19:00:43Z", "event":"HeatWarning" }
{ "timestamp":"2019-01-30T19:00:45Z", "event":"CrimeVictim", "Offender":"far123", "CrimeType":"assault", "Bounty":200 }
{ "timestamp":"2019-01-30T19:00:49Z", "event":"UnderAttack", "Target":"You" }
{ "timestamp":"2019-01-30T19:00:54Z", "event":"CrimeVictim", "Offender":"v1p0FF", "CrimeType":"assault", "Bounty":200 }
{ "timestamp":"2019-01-30T19:01:06Z", "event":"CrimeVictim", "Offender":"H1pp1", "CrimeType":"assault", "Bounty":200 }
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{ "timestamp":"2019-01-30T19:12:07Z", "event":"RepairAll", "Cost":1123975 }
...The protected engine and energy and armor are about 6k.
I totally agree, any other ship size and i think at least twice about attacking even if pledged to another power, but big ships are just too "juicy" because they have reached that far without actually learning the game. I understand that people want to make money in the game thats not really the issue for me but these schemes results in the wrong progression curve imho.
TheMegaTurnip
Banned
Pretty much on the nose, they are unintentionally skipping most of the progression paths. I have trie telling Cmdrs in the past that they are missing out by going straigh to the big bois, but folk dont want to listen. Whereas they do tend to after a 30+ milion rebuy.
I think I'm gonna start interdicting any CMDR in big ships below master rank in my squads home system... just to make sure they know how to fly... maybe they will understand the difference between gear based and skill based gameplay...
This is YOU about the fact that the torpedoes immediately rip off the 5k shield from a large ship?
Or are you talking about the fact that using speed and maneuverability and flying backwards, firing ships from a distance from a weapon rails ...?
Ah, so we come to the crux of the matter. You left a hole in your defenses so large you could drift a T-9 backwards through it without so much as scraping the paint.
Torpedoes are, on the whole, relatively weak for the space they take up. However, they are capable of being engineered to use a mod that allows them to deal a large amount of damage to shield generators when they hit shields, and another of their basic engineering features allows them to punch-through armor to deal a large amount precisely targeted, if localized, module damage. In the curious case of your Corvette catastrophe, you probably did not invest anywhere near enough in MRP's, and it seems unlikely you had an ECM fitted, though if you did, it's likely you did not start charging it upon dropping out of super cruise. This is one of the tiny number of ways to reasonably threaten a Corvette, and frankly, anything more lightly armed than a Challenger torpedo boat probably can't rock enough torpedoes to pop you, though they might heavily damage you.
We useless pilots who fly big ships sure are lucky to have these selfless, public-spirited PvP guys to teach us the errors of our ways. God forbid anyone should just be allowed to enjoy the lovely things they have done the grind for without being hassled and patronized.
As for interdictions here's the problem I have. I played for months in Solo before I ever dipped a toe in open. And in Solo, I just learned to laugh at interdictions. I don't recall ever 'losing' one. Very easy to win the mini game.
Open? Different story. I never win, just learned you gotta submit every time, then be forced to fight or flee. In real life, if I'm walking down the street and I get yelled at, I have the right to just ignore it and walk on. In the ED universe I am expected to bow down to the star lords and take my punishment. Not gonna happen boys, not now, not ever.
As for interdictions here's the problem I have. I played for months in Solo before I ever dipped a toe in open. And in Solo, I just learned to laugh at interdictions. I don't recall ever 'losing' one. Very easy to win the mini game.
Open? Different story. I never win, just learned you gotta submit every time, then be forced to fight or flee. In real life, if I'm walking down the street and I get yelled at, I have the right to just ignore it and walk on. In the ED universe I am expected to bow down to the star lords and take my punishment. Not gonna happen boys, not now, not ever.
Right on commander. +1
Here it is right! The question is not what will happen after the interception and how to fight, but the fact that a large ship has no chance to win a mini game!
P.S. To TheGrimCorsair : And I use ECM and so on, otherwise how could I easily get away from the 3 elite pilots from the group BDSM.
Big ships have the potential to be the tankiest ships in the game. I fought a corvette for 20 minutes yesterday. Point being that a big one should be able to take some damage before waking. And there's no large ship that is mass locked by a medium. Losing an interdiction shouldn't be an issue.
Yesterday we encountered several pilots in large ships who would submit and wake.
Yesterday we encountered several pilots in large ships who would submit and wake.
My point is that there seems to be a clear imbalance between my experience of interdiction in Solo, and the very same thing in Open. Why? is it fair? There is occasionally discussion (sometimes from PvP enthusiasts I think) of how the game should 'teach' us how to survive, how to fly bettter, how to escape ganking. Surely this counts? The first time I was interdicted by another CMDR I was simply not ready for it.
Since then I have been pulled numerous times by other CMDRs, usually bent on blowing me up. They've only managed it once, when I was flying my unarmed 'paper plane' explo Krait into Shinrarta coupla weeks back. I was dozing off, not paying attention, all my fault. Right after I popped I actually laughed. I mean... why bother? *chuckle*
I have survived a number of encounters in my big ships, taking damage of course. Expect to keep on doing so. I would be more willing to put my heart into such fights if the fight seemed fairer. As soon as my attacker resorts to knocking out all my shielding with vibrating torpedoes, I've had enough.
When all is said and done CMDR Danicus is right in his suggestions that PvP needs a better outlet for Player Killers to get their rocks off.
have they ever thought about say, the arena?
That outlet was supposed to be Powerplay bit it didn't really workout hence we "raid" capitals to get our fix. Others just visit cgs (PvP combat zones i.e wings of players and NPC ships are the most fun things in this game I have ever done).
TheMegaTurnip
Banned
The difference here, is NPC vs Player.
If you are expecting players to be as much of a cake walk as the NPC's, you are very much mistaken.
The AI is tripe in interdictions in open.
The players don't mess around because they hunt players as thier playstyle. Hence, they are FAR more effective than the bots.
Try flying a smaller ship. It's pretty simple.
(Also any PvPer worth his salt, despises big ships because they are maximum easy mode vessels, overinflated balooning, over expensive ez mode, a good contibutor to why you find yourself being targeted in open.)
If you're asking me to believe that avoiding interdiction fails in Open just because the AI is poor in solo, I can't. I say it's a rigged game. In solo I got very good at keeping that escape vector centered. More than once I've struggled against the interdiction in open with the escape vector just as centered as I ever had it in solo, but still lose the mini-game.
And I love my big ships Turnie old sport, it'd take more than you and your brethren to drive me out of them. And if I give the impression I am being constantly targeted, I apologise. That isn't the case I assure you, and I enjoy many positive encounters with some great people in open.
I enjoy the game... my way!
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TheMegaTurnip
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Bro. AI interdictions in open, are the same as in solo.
Players are not.
Fair enough, Im not giving you agg, just pointing it out. But if you're going to complain that big ships are "iMbAlAnCeD" because you insist on flying something that is poop tier in interdictions people are going to scoff at you.
It's because NPC interdictions are easier they were needed by fdev. Apparently it was way more harder before
First... I'm not complaining. Second... I'm saying the game is imbalanced, and that you guys need somewhere nice to play, you know a cool new sandbox all of your own, wouldn't that be nice boys? Third... scoff all you like! And don't call me bro!
There is no real use to mount higher class FSD interdictors. This would also stop the stupidity of a sidewinder interdicting a Cutter with a C1 FSD interdictor. I like this idea. It is simple and straight forward.