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There are ways for gimball weapons long as they are hitscan, to deal with chaff. But I guess it can be difficult and not so obvious for anyone.

Are you just cryptically referring to firing a chaffed hitscan weapon when the drifting reticle crosses the target's hull?

With dealing against dual chaff meta Fdl's, I use packhounds or just de-select taget depends on situation. Sure you cant stay much as evasive during de-select, since bursts are used like fixed, but it is possible to maintain decent ToT either of ways. I used fixed for long time, quite long time ago, even before RNG age, so thats why I dont have any problems with hitting shields of my tagets, while on de-select. And with this bulid, hitting shields is all I need.

If you can keep up being alive within 10 mins, chaff runs out too.

Yes I'm aware chaff runs out. Your message is very vague; a build that only needs to hit shields; not obvious to everyone; etc.

Phasing? CMDR Truesilver did a video or two on beating chaffed meta builds from a phasing gimballed hitscan build.

Care to share details or just tell us all you can beat the meta and leave it at that?

And sure, packhounds beat a lot of things. They are the arguably the easiest to use weapon in the game especially paired with emissive and ruin the notion of hulltanks by being OP vs. them. Seems a bit out of place to mention them a post talking about years of skill.
 
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Are you just cryptically referring to firing a chaffed hitscan weapon when the drifting reticle crosses the target's hull?


Nope, I mean here that firing gimball weapon when there is no taget selected, with "fixed" mode. I did explain about it bit more in next lines bellow of that statement, did I? [woah]

With "difficult and not obvious for anyone", I mean very much this^^^^ , certainly not something cheap, like you just tried to imply with "drifting reticle" thing.

Using gimball weapon like that is certainly difficult, hence not so obvious... since it is difficult, and requires some decent skill with fixed aim also bit of knowledge when and how to use it when deal with variety of bulids.

Here, if you still dont know what I am taking about, there is simple example:

Gimball bursts fire against enemy ship > enemy ship uses chaff > gimballs got "drifting reticle" all over taget > gimballs de-select their taget > gimballs can now fire in fixed mode without "drifting reticle"... whats left for it, is to keep "aim" on enemy ship without having it locked-on. Done.



Yes I'm aware chaff runs out. Your message is very vague; a build that only needs to hit shields; not obvious to everyone; etc.

I guess youre just got it wrong, what I meant. See, my bulid combines two things, power of packhounds and power of phasing... We all know what packhounds can do to unshielded taget... but does anyone know how to properly use a phasing against meta? Truesilver and I do, but many dont. Why aint is so popular? its simple too, cuz it cannot kill. I cant possible image to get killed by phasing, that bleed dps is way too slow to get kill. Thats why aint is so popular. For me getting a win is all whats matters for me so I am keen to use phasing against meta bulids. Its works.


Phasing? CMDR Truesilver did a video or two on beating chaffed meta builds from a phasing gimballed hitscan build.
Care to share details or just tell us all you can beat the meta and leave it at that?

Why not, since you insist... First I must ask you... you are even aware why it works so well?... Against like typical meta FDL's with 3PA and 2 rails? Because gimball fire arc is superior against all fixed(especially if they aint hitscan) loadouts due of one main diffrence, that gimball bulid can attack and evade at same time vs fixed, while fixed meta bulids vs gimball, can either just evade or attack. If they attack, they get shot at, if they evade, they got shot at... Phaser? If really good with evade, unless they make mistake, they wont get hit easly with PA's.

Again, Meta fixed bulids can never attack and evade both at same time. Then you have paper-like hull of meta bulids, due of all SCB's they carry... it does not take this long to wear it down, and more evasive phaser is, then harder time meta user it gets, especially if phaser can deal with chaff... there only few who can do that, I guess.

This is even more noticable if Fixed user is using typical full FAOFF flying styles... if they are using full FAOFF, then they got only cetrain moments during fly-by to have any chance to land thier shots. Phasing user on other hand, can maintain its TOT for almost full time of fight, and if they are faster, they can control distance as well.

Second, I never said I can kill any meta with it... Once I won like 100 or 200 duels with it, only against meta, then I will claim its true meta killer. It wont be happening anytimes soon though, I aint have that much of free time to waste it like this.


And sure, packhounds beat a lot of things. They are the arguably the easiest to use weapon in the game especially paired with emissive and ruin the notion of hulltanks by being OP vs. them. Seems a bit out of place to mention them a post talking about years of skill.

Yep, but they wont beat an meta FDL bulid alone, or something changed when I was not looking? Also are you trying to say that usage of them means automaticly "no-skill", if so, then you are even more limited than you seems to be. For me? dont matters what others use against, I take it all on. Same, if I lose, I only blame my skills that fails me, not that opponent was using "I-win" weapons or loadouts...
 
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The deselect thing is such common knowledge that I assumed you were referring to something else. I don't need a wall of text to understand the implications. You are ignoring the context of my post, which was specifically Treptower Park's Phantom builds. I don't consider them a hard counter to FdL meta because the vert/lats on a phantom won't allow for good enough evasion.

I advocate for the advantages of gimbals elsewhere on this forum. I don't need your condescension to reaffirm my beliefs. No idea why you mention "Truesilver and I do" when I mention CMDR Truesilver in the post you're replying to. I literally started PvP via his tutorials and they make the point much more effectively than your self-congratulatory nonsense. He doesn't bother shrouding his information in cryptic mumbo jumbo.

Yes in 1v1 I think an evasion skilled pilot in a nimble gimballed vessel will generally beat fixed builds as long as they are patient. I have done so myself, 32 minutes in a phasing courier vs. a python.

In wing situations I think fixed is generally more useful.

Please don't bother responding unless you lose the attitude. You're barking up the wrong tree as I'm fond of evasion, gimbals and also occasionally phasing. Go humblebrag elsewhere.
 
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Did I lose my attitude now? I dont think so. Lets end this pointless arguing since seems we are both of diffrent sort, and seems like things gotten bit too far. In end, I already said what I wanted to said, so let end it there...

I've never seen you pilot, but it's incongruous you pair yourself with CMDR Truesilver who has provided enormous amounts of impartial information for the community and even posted tutorial videos to help beginners.

Meanwhile you slither into a thread with a claim that your methods (strangely identical to Truesilver's) "wont work for most folks" but imply they might for you due to "years of experience or some kind of extraordinary talent". Then you sneak in gems like "you are even more limited than you seems to be" to a newer pilot.

I don't care who you send to rebuy and what loadout you use. You certainly aren't Truesilver caliber.
 
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I've never seen you pilot, but it's strange you pair yourself with CMDR Truesilver who has provided enormous amounts of impartial information for the community and even posted tutorial videos to help beginners.

Meanwhile you slither into a thread with a claim that your methods (strangely identical to Truesilver's) "wont work for most folks" but imply they might for you due to "years of experience or some kind of extraordinary talent". Then you sneak in gems like "you are even more limited than you seems to be" to a newer pilot.

I don't care who you send to rebuy and what loadout you use. You certainly aren't Truesilver caliber.


I guess then, you would be quite suprised of what exacly caliber I am. :)


Why you still insist to keep going on? I said it already, we are both of diffrent sort, thus of diffrent opinions about said things.


Truesilver caliber? I never intented to help random begginers by anything other than giving them rebuy screen, in very time when he did first of hes guides, but who cares about that anymore? I never knew he was "Guru" for ya, lol.


Pls dont compare me with Truesilver, after all, we where once deadly enemys.

He was the one of white knights, when he was in AA(who was generally friendly to anyone at time), trying to hunt me down as most wanted cmdr in eravate, as very nasty ganker...

A tales from years ago but its something that you aint need to know about because youre not as long around. It does not matter anymore. :x


I guess I bail out of this, before mods have to lock it up. This is getting quite offtopic, and if you really wish to talk more about it, PM me instead.
 
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I guess then, you would be quite suprised of what exacly caliber I am. :)

Why you still insist to keep going on? I said it already, we are both of diffrent sort, thus of diffrent opinions about said things.

I'm referring to your posting caliber not your piloting caliber. I'm not well liked in Eravate either.

I doubt you have much gank cred left though. Most of us gankers are out partying in the core right now. You seem to assume that because I can see the value in TS's posts, I'm a white knight in game. You couldn't be further from the mark.

In any case at least we agree we are of a different sort. A Youtube search for:

"Fun times in Eravate, sort of." "Uncle Poa's Murder Emporium"

is quite illuminating, especially the ending.
 
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Ahh, thanks to you both for making me aware of the Truesilver Tutorials! Perfect for a lazy sunday like this one!

Edit: Holy . Its uncanny how close that flying style resembles mine. Never seen TSs stuff. But could be watching my own fights here. Even down to pip positions and FA toggle timing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUlWQUfOdro
I guess its suggested by the loadout and intention.
 
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Are you just cryptically referring to firing a chaffed hitscan weapon when the drifting reticle crosses the target's hull?



Yes I'm aware chaff runs out. Your message is very vague; a build that only needs to hit shields; not obvious to everyone; etc.

Phasing? CMDR Truesilver did a video or two on beating chaffed meta builds from a phasing gimballed hitscan build.

Care to share details or just tell us all you can beat the meta and leave it at that?

And sure, packhounds beat a lot of things. They are the arguably the easiest to use weapon in the game especially paired with emissive and ruin the notion of hulltanks by being OP vs. them. Seems a bit out of place to mention them a post talking about years of skill.

The lad has a bit of a reputation in PvP circles, and it isn't for his flying prowess.
 
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I guess then, you would be quite suprised of what exacly caliber I am. :)


Why you still insist to keep going on? I said it already, we are both of diffrent sort, thus of diffrent opinions about said things.


Truesilver caliber? I never intented to help random begginers by anything other than giving them rebuy screen, in very time when he did first of hes guides, but who cares about that anymore? I never knew he was "Guru" for ya, lol.


Pls dont compare me with Truesilver, after all, we where once deadly enemys.

He was the one of white knights, when he was in AA(who was generally friendly to anyone at time), trying to hunt me down as most wanted cmdr in eravate, as very nasty ganker...

A tales from years ago but its something that you aint need to know about because youre not as long around. It does not matter anymore. :x


I guess I bail out of this, before mods have to lock it up. This is getting quite offtopic, and if you really wish to talk more about it, PM me instead.

I want to fight you. Are you on PC? Let's meet at Jameson Memorial :D
 
"Fun times in Eravate, sort of." "Uncle Poa's Murder Emporium"


Ah... this. You had checked when it happen? Over 3 years ago... Preety much since then, was it last time when "this" happen from me.

Its funny to see how few are still keen to dig such old things and claim like its still relevant. Especially if you all are "ZO" followers, fogeting that this favorite overlord of yours was way worse in this regard than I ever was. Its nothing else than hypocrisy wich this particular part of PVP player base seems to have.

If you really think that I am same as 3 years ago, then its fine by me, I always love to take advantage of being underestimated, due of predetermined views about my "caliber".

I want to fight you. Are you on PC? Let's meet at Jameson Memorial :D

You probly not aware, but we already did fought. Not as elpapo, since I dont play under this name for a quite while but as someone else. But it happen, since I do recall fighting you as youre one of these vulture-only. You really had trouble to hit me with these dual eff PA you had in your vulture, I hope you trained a bit more with aim. But since this is quite toxic community, I wont be ever reveal what under name I do play now, especially in places such as this subforum, I rather left it for inviduals to figure this out themselfs if they happen to meet me in-game.

If you wanna fight again, come to core. But doubt that you can ever travel this far in vulture, or you can always wait for me once I return. Still, what does it matters, since even if we fight again, how you would be know that me, unless I tell ya its "me"? [haha]
 
Is this the mystery-novels-no-one-cares-to-solve subforum?

Getting back to OP, if you're still reading, consider swapping the 6SCB for an SLF, and equipping 3 efficient PAs along with 2 medium LR rails one feedback one superpen. Balance the resists on the shields and hull by tweaking the engineering and happy hunting.
 
Ah... this. You had checked when it happen? Over 3 years ago... Preety much since then, was it last time when "this" happen from me.

Its funny to see how few are still keen to dig such old things and claim like its still relevant. Especially if you all are "ZO" followers, fogeting that this favorite overlord of yours was way worse in this regard than I ever was. Its nothing else than hypocrisy wich this particular part of PVP player base seems to have.

If you really think that I am same as 3 years ago, then its fine by me, I always love to take advantage of being underestimated, due of predetermined views about my "caliber".



You probly not aware, but we already did fought. Not as elpapo, since I dont play under this name for a quite while but as someone else. But it happen, since I do recall fighting you as youre one of these vulture-only. You really had trouble to hit me with these dual eff PA you had in your vulture, I hope you trained a bit more with aim. But since this is quite toxic community, I wont be ever reveal what under name I do play now, especially in places such as this subforum, I rather left it for inviduals to figure this out themselfs if they happen to meet me in-game.

If you wanna fight again, come to core. But doubt that you can ever travel this far in vulture, or you can always wait for me once I return. Still, what does it matters, since even if we fight again, how you would be know that me, unless I tell ya its "me"? [haha]

I remember a lot of my fights, but if it happened, it must have been a long time ago, and a long time ago I didn't use PAs. So I'd like to say that you must confuse me with somebody else. Also, I am quite good at hitting stuff with my PAs, as long as it's not a pesky G5 DD sidey x)
 
Ah... this. You had checked when it happen? Over 3 years ago... Preety much since then, was it last time when "this" happen from me.

Its funny to see how few are still keen to dig such old things and claim like its still relevant. Especially if you all are "ZO" followers, fogeting that this favorite overlord of yours was way worse in this regard than I ever was. Its nothing else than hypocrisy wich this particular part of PVP player base seems to have.

If you really think that I am same as 3 years ago, then its fine by me, I always love to take advantage of being underestimated, due of predetermined views about my "caliber".



You probly not aware, but we already did fought. Not as elpapo, since I dont play under this name for a quite while but as someone else. But it happen, since I do recall fighting you as youre one of these vulture-only. You really had trouble to hit me with these dual eff PA you had in your vulture, I hope you trained a bit more with aim. But since this is quite toxic community, I wont be ever reveal what under name I do play now, especially in places such as this subforum, I rather left it for inviduals to figure this out themselfs if they happen to meet me in-game.

If you wanna fight again, come to core. But doubt that you can ever travel this far in vulture, or you can always wait for me once I return. Still, what does it matters, since even if we fight again, how you would be know that me, unless I tell ya its "me"? [haha]

Instead of envying my power from afar, why not partake in it yourself by joining New Dominion as one of my high level operatives, and benefiting from having the power of all the best PvP groups on your side?

Real power in this galaxy comes not from individual fighting ability, but rather, collective fighting ability.
 
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Instead of envying my power from afar, why not partake in it yourself by joining New Dominion as one of my high level operatives, and benefiting from having the power of all the best PvP groups on your side?

Real power in this galaxy comes not from individual fighting ability, but rather, collective fighting ability.

I encountered one of your minions in Eravate last week. I would hardly call him the best at PvP. A lousy backstabbing opportunist with adequate skills? Maybe :\
 
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