Apart from the few people who bought the LEP (including me), which money?
Am I the only one who thought we would get new payed content in Q1 of 2019?
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Apart from the few people who bought the LEP (including me), which money?
Considering how video games market works nowdays, I did expect big content this year. Maybe on Q3 or Q4. I think that the prospect of 18 months with no significant content is a dangerous gamble, mostly because people have poor brand retention and there is always something else to do somewhere else. So, you need to keep content flowing at a decent pace. I am not saying this is a good thing, creators should have the freedom of taking their time to give shape to their vision as they see fit, but the current "games a service" model trashes that notion with violence. Also, FD has notorious history of making odd and nonsensical design choices in their games that sometimes take you out of the experience, there is no reason to think this will change, so it stands to reason that whatever content that they deliver in 2020 will not be impecabble or without issues, which will put to question wherter or not those 18 months were worth.
I do hope that in the next couple months we get a planning of what the new content will be, what should we expect and how that is gonna be worth of paying more money. And I do hope a decent marketing campaing to keep us interested and paying attention, otherwise, forgetfulness and indiference is what they shall recieve.
I do hope that in the next couple months we get a planning of what the new content will be, what should we expect and how that is gonna be worth of paying more money. And I do hope a decent marketing campaing to keep us interested and paying attention, otherwise, forgetfulness and indiference is what they shall recieve.
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Not just you. I though there'd be some smaller updates (maybe accretion disks around black holes finally) but was hoping for some type of DLC as an update for Q3 or Q4. I've learned not to work myself up for these things anymore. I'll play what I have until new toys are introduced. Then I'll play with those.
Keep banging that drum . . . o7
NO OP ! You certainly are not the only one.
This 2020 malarkey has to be a joke! WTH have they been doing all this time?
I think we need to hear exactly what has been going on development wise from Mr Braben himself ,after all he was always around when he was promoting the product.
The situation as is looks like ED has been put on the back burner since horizons release so FDev could concentrate on their other IP's another bad sign is ED Lewis leaving the company ,maybe he didn't want to be around when FDev dropped the 2020 news and fair play to him.
But it isn't the 2020 wait that is disturbing to me it's the news that they are just starting on this "huge" update? WTH do they think they can achieve in that timeframe? Certainly nothing huge!
So could Mr Braben do us all a favour and tell us exactly what has been developed we haven't seen and what is being developed to add to that in the 2020 update.
There is no need for secrecy anymore ,the only reason you would not want to tell us what's in the 2020 update is that you know it is not what we want or expect.
Give us the road map and give us a video of Mr Braben reaffirming his earlier video statements, is that to much to ask for?
This 2020 malarkey has to be a joke! WTH have they been doing all this time?
I think we need to hear exactly what has been going on development wise from Mr Braben himself ,after all he was always around when he was promoting the product.
The situation as is looks like ED has been put on the back burner since horizons release so FDev could concentrate on their other IP's another bad sign is ED Lewis leaving the company ,maybe he didn't want to be around when FDev dropped the 2020 news and fair play to him.
But it isn't the 2020 wait that is disturbing to me it's the news that they are just starting on this "huge" update? WTH do they think they can achieve in that timeframe? Certainly nothing huge!
So could Mr Braben do us all a favour and tell us exactly what has been developed we haven't seen and what is being developed to add to that in the 2020 update.
There is no need for secrecy anymore ,the only reason you would not want to tell us what's in the 2020 update is that you know it is not what we want or expect.
Give us the road map and give us a video of Mr Braben reaffirming his earlier video statements, is that to much to ask for?
...and then the last minute changes as regards Fleet Carriers and Ice Planets etc (ie: you're not getting them!), just months before due...
Personally I'd say the last truely bar raising development was surface landings, which was 3+ years ago... Since then we've had a few nice additions, and a few truly half baked outcomes and choices... I just can't understand what the 100+ people are doing when we look back at the last 3 years...?
And if we use the yard stick of the last two years, to predict where this next two year development could put us? Hmmm...
Just got to hope there's been a real shake up, and we're going to get a truly solid bar raising development end of 2020!
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Which delay of 2 years? I didn't know they originally announced the next major expansion for mid/end 2018. Pretty sure you got something wrong.
From when the Q4 hit, until December of 2020 it sums up to be 2 years. But now that i think of it, if you do the math right, its more like 5 years between the 2 dlc's.
Dlc ofc has a specific meaning
If you need more help on that, just ask.
Same here, if we're talking 'major update' i.e. a new chapter, vX.0, whatever you want to call it, the earliest I'd expected it might appear was the end of 2019 - they only moved into full development of whatever the next update is in August last year.
Sure the end of 2020 is longer than I anticipated but they really can't win here - say nothing and the forums are full of people suffering from separation anxiety asking for updates every week, do what they've done and say 'well it's going to be a while so we can't give much detail but here's an indicative timescale so you know roughly what to expect' and it's the end of the world.
Q1 of 2019 though? I doubt you were the only one who though that might happen OP but it doesn't make that thought any more realistic.
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So what has been delayed? Your post doesn't make much sense. In order to be delayed it must have been announced first, which it wasn't.From when the Q4 hit, until December of 2020 it sums up to be 2 years. But now that i think of it, if you do the math right, its more like 5 years between the 2 dlc's.
Dlc ofc has a specific meaning
You can never win over everybody, but I do believe that these announcements could be handled in a better way. Most people don't mind the long timeline, they take issue with the "can't give much detail" (no detail at all) part. I think if Frontier had provided at least a tiny bit of detail on what they will be working on over the next 2 years, no matter how vague, we'd see a lot less forum backlash. Personally I think separation anxiety is preferable to an announcement without content.
I also don't agree that providing some detail is in any way a bad thing. No guarantees need to be made. The only legitimate reason for not providing details that I can come up with is if Frontier hasn't yet decided what content will be released by 2020... and that would be somewhat shocking.
So Frontier, please give us some vague idea of what you're working on.
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You can never win over everybody, but I do believe that these announcements could be handled in a better way. Most people don't mind the long timeline, they take issue with the "can't give much detail" (no detail at all) part. I think if Frontier had provided at least a tiny bit of detail on what they will be working on over the next 2 years, no matter how vague, we'd see a lot less forum backlash. Personally I think separation anxiety is preferable to an announcement without content.
I also don't agree that providing some detail is in any way a bad thing. No guarantees need to be made. The only legitimate reason for not providing details that I can come up with is if Frontier hasn't yet decided what content will be released by 2020... and that would be somewhat shocking.
So Frontier, please give us some vague idea of what you're working on.
True, but the question is if it makes sense marketing wise. We all need to face reality: This forum consists of a few crazy people who are very passionate about the game. Most of us will buy anything as soon as they release it, or already own the LEP.
But there are also several million customers who quit the game and don't visit the forums. There are also a few million potential customers who would probably buy the game if it had atmospheric landings or space legs or base building or cockpit cats. And you don't reach them by making statements on the forum. Usually these kinds of anouncements are made on gamescom to journalists who will write big articles about it. Including in game footage (which probably can't be shown yet due to early days). So if they want to create hype and actually make use of marketing they want to make a big announcement that has an impact on the gaming world rather than a few people on the forums.
I would also love to see / hear more about future content, but I do realise that what I want isn't always realistic. I can't blame them for doing what most other studios are doing as well.
I think one of the big unanswered questions is what qualifies as a minor update vs. a major update. Space legs is obviously a "major" update, but in my mind, things like comets and even a subset of atmospheric worlds (ones like Mars that have no precipitation and limited 'weather') are minor updates that we could possibly see before 2020. Anything that can be created with the technology already in the game is, in my mind, more of a minor update. Another example would be entering the upper atmosphere of gas giants, by using the technology we already have for Lagrange clouds.
Of course I'm speculating like everyone else. I'm just hopeful that we see a few of these more minor things this year, and the New Era will be the "big things" like space legs, advanced planet surfaces (the new ice worlds and perhaps caves), and even ELWs using JWE tech.
EDIT - looking back at the topic of this thread, I doubt any of the things I'm suggesting as minor updates will be paid content. I think that content will be "stories", complex missions with cutscenes and voice acting.
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Wishful thinking, that's OK unless you are easily disappointed.
On the other hand they said: 'In the subsequent updates we will be focusing on bringing in new features, perks and content, including a range of exciting new additions to the game that will build up to this new era.'
Apart from being pretty much immune to 'exciting additions' this could mean that some of the new features are included with the next big thing in mind, and by the time they are getting implemented we might kwow more about that new era.
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That's a fair point, and if that is the reason then I'd rather have no announcement at all and wait for the marketing to kick in... but I guess that's just my personal preference.
The only* thing that disappoints me is elephant butt leather and flashing disco shadows.
I was a Linux administrator for many years, and it was quite common for certain features being added to a new major kernel branch to be backported to the older, stable branch. IIRC, this was very common in the 2.4 kernel while 2.6 was being worked on (tells you how long ago it's been for me, LOL). In similar fashion, the majority of the developers are working on the "New Era", which may include comets, for example. If the code to bring comets to the game is simple enough, that code could be shared with the "skeleton crew" maintaining the 3.3 branch of ED, though it might be a "nerfed" visually if New Era is using a new version of Cobra. I highly doubt Frontier will charge for something like comets. We might even get some new assets in the current version that aren't fully realized until the new version, things meant for "space legs" but don't actually support walking around in until New Era.
I'm strangely optimistic about the next two years. You'd think I'd know better after over a year of EBL and FDS!
* there are other disappointing bugs as well, but they live in the "shadow" of the shadow bugs [haha]
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