This is ridiculous and against Elite Dangerous law, to my knowledge.

[Sir Ganksalot]

This seems a bit silly, here's a thought, why shouldn't we instead ask those that want to randomly attack people to go to a specific group? and keep their behaviour there? Honestly? what makes their behaviour acceptable? They are doing an action that dangles as close to harassment as it can get without going over. And is only in name not actual harassment?

We are playing 100% within the rules of the game. You all, on the other hand, are wanting the rules to be changed to suit your own needs, therefore you should go to your own private group or solo if you want to play by your own rules.

Also, in what way is myself and others hunting and killing random players, in a game that allows you to hunt and kill random players, considered "bordering on harassment"? That might be the most absurd thing I've ever read on this forum.

 

[Florenus]

Who?

Zarek Null. Mister Zero.

 

[xondk]

We are playing 100% within the rules of the game. You all, on the other hand, are wanting the rules to be changed to suit your own needs, therefore you should go to your own private group or solo if you want to play by your own rules.

Also, in what way is myself and others hunting and killing random players, in a game that allows you to hunt and kill random players, considered "bordering on harassment"? That might be the most absurd thing I've ever read on this forum.

7.3 Communication and interaction with other users
7.3.1 The Game and/or Online Features may allow communications between users by means including but not limited to text and voice. When using such features you must use common sense and good manners, your behaviour, conduct and communications must be considerate to other users and you must not be directly or indirectly offensive, threatening, harassing or bullying to others or violate any applicable laws including but not limited to anti-discrimination legislation based on race, ethnicity, religion, gender or sexual orientation.

That would be elite's eula. And yeah 100% within the rules is highly questionable.

It is in my book harassment, when people deliberately target the easiest targets to kill.
But since proving what someone behind a screen actually has of intentions is very difficult. And the attacker can easily make up an excuse or reason that is highly difficult to disprove, even when they are intentionally lying.

And just because an action is possible does not mean it cannot be used in such a way that it becomes abuse.

 

[Tarman]

That would be elite's eula. And yeah 100% within the rules is highly questionable.

It is in my book harassment, when people deliberately target the easiest targets to kill.
But since proving what someone behind a screen actually has of intentions is very difficult. And the attacker can easily make up an excuse or reason that is highly difficult to disprove, even when they are intentionally lying.

And just because an action is possible does not mean it cannot be used in such a way that it becomes abuse.

FD's not using your book to make their rules; and the quote you took from their book doesn't back up your point at all. That says "hey, don't go around breaking Wheaton's Law in regards to your fellow gamers on any comms channel we may provide". You can't talk smack about the human on the other side of the pixels based on who they are as a person. You can't threaten to come to their house and stab them. It's a standard rule for any game with human communication channels.

Player avatars however, are not the same thing. Unless you're repeatedly following and killing someone alldayerryday (and glwt with Elite's instancing and server arrangement and timezones and modes even if they were dumb enough to friend their enemies), you're allowed to shoot anyone's spaceship that you can see. It has zero to do with the target's loadout or experience or feelies or that they had 5 months of explo data or that your ship is vastly outgunning them or anything else.

Attacking other players is a basic gameplay mechanic. If you don't like that mechanic or certain expressions of that mechanic, FD has also provided alternate game modes where it is literally impossible for just such a reason.

 

[Marshall...]

Up until around 3 years ago (so for the games first year ish), shinrarta would of been considered a gentleman's club. Lots of o7s and even a tiny chance of running into Mr Braben, as i did back in the day.

Now, not so much.

 

[Sir Ganksalot]

That would be elite's eula. And yeah 100% within the rules is highly questionable.

It is in my book harassment, when people deliberately target the easiest targets to kill.
But since proving what someone behind a screen actually has of intentions is very difficult. And the attacker can easily make up an excuse or reason that is highly difficult to disprove, even when they are intentionally lying.

And just because an action is possible does not mean it cannot be used in such a way that it becomes abuse.

My intentions are to destroy every player that I come across, regardless of skill, ability or the ship you're flying. Again how is that harassment? I'm just playing a video game that gives me the ability to do that.

 

[shadowwar]

It should have been for kickstarter cmdrs only.
It went downhill when any old elite pleb was let in.

Kind of agree. (Waiting for the salt to flow!)

 

[shadowwar]

Up until around 3 years ago (so for the games first year ish), shinrarta would of been considered a gentleman's club. Lots of o7s and even a tiny chance of running into Mr Braben, as i did back in the day.

Now, not so much.

I once killed Mr. Braben's npc who was wanted. At least I am quite sure it was his npc character with the same name. LOL!

 

[sollisb]

Don't blame your tools/platform. There's nothing about PS4 (my platform) that makes waking any harder. Your attackers are subject to any platform restrictions that you are.

It's a terrible suggestion to ban PvP in the one system you can reliably encounter other CMDRs (barring eravate/lhs 3447/asellus primus). Especially on console, where there are even fewer commanders.

If you actually want to stay in open safely at Shinrarta you should look into approaching the station via an arc route from system entry and then performing a spiral approach coupled with gravity well deceleration at the end. This won't shake all gankers, but it will shake some.





I do agree the engineering grindwall is unfortunate, and a geniune problem. However, FDev imposed this, not gankers.

Gankers just abuse it... And even then can't do it alone, they need their buddies to help them

 

[Zoltah-Talion]

Zarek Null. Mister Zero.

Hey my friend, I'm so glad to see you still fighting the good fight!

The gankers chose the right name for their sock-puppet, it's an appropriate expression of their basic nihilism. At heart they are people who are invested in making others feel like victims, as they themselves no longer feel joy or see beauty in the world around them. So they turn to mindless killing in the hope to recover the feeling of being alive, but in the end they even get bored of slaughter, and turn to cynical lies and macho posturing... it's a vicious circle that you have to learn to see through.

As for Zarek, I believe his most worthy title should be 'Lord of the Flies'. Do you know the story? The plot is basically about evil vs. good, and how easily human beings surrender to the banality of evil. A group of little boys get stranded on a desert island, and initally the influence of 'civilization' on them shows through. The smart and sensitive ones try to organise things properly, ordaining rules and standards of behavior, but soon the more aggressive and violent types amongst them insist on dominance, with the inevitable descent into savagery and despair.

In the tale, the 'Lord of the Flies' is at once a pig's head on a stick, and a representation of an evil power which doesn't actually exist physically, but comes from within the human heart. Flies of course are small yet annoying creatures which always come back however many of them you destroy, and are renowned for their capacity to rapidly turn anything sweet and good into a mass of maggots.

There's a lot we can learn from a good book!

 

[Tarman]

Hey my friend, I'm so glad to see you still fighting the good fight!

The gankers chose the right name for their sock-puppet, it's an appropriate expression of their basic nihilism. At heart they are people who are invested in making others feel like victims, as they themselves no longer feel joy or see beauty in the world around them. So they turn to mindless killing in the hope to recover the feeling of being alive, but in the end they even get bored of slaughter, and turn to cynical lies and macho posturing... it's a vicious circle that you have to learn to see through.

As for Zarek, I believe his most worthy title should be 'Lord of the Flies'. Do you know the story? The plot is basically about evil vs. good, and how easily human beings surrender to the banality of evil. A group of little boys get stranded on a desert island, and initally the influence of 'civilization' on them shows through. The smart and sensitive ones try to organise things properly, ordaining rules and standards of behavior, but soon the more aggressive and violent types amongst them insist on dominance, with the inevitable descent into savagery and despair.

In the tale, the 'Lord of the Flies' is at once a pig's head on a stick, and a representation of an evil power which doesn't actually exist physically, but comes from within the human heart. Flies of course are small yet annoying creatures which always come back however many of them you destroy, and are renowned for their capacity to rapidly turn anything sweet and good into a mass of maggots.

There's a lot we can learn from a good book!

If there was any more projection in this post you could build a multiscreen theater around it. Games are not representative of peoples' IRL motivations and actions in the vast majority of cases. If someone plays Epic Mickey, does that mean they're also huffing paint thinner and tagging public buildings? For the chess example, does that mean people are monarchist warmongers for playing? I've played and built a massive 40K Chaos army, enough to field all four Ruinous Powers at once plus the Black Legion and a side order of Daemons - am I in danger of my mortal soul because of my plastic badguy armymens?

This whole "games are a dark mirror showing your true self" concept really needs to stop, because it is silly. Over here in Elite, people are pretending to be spacemen in the future in their spare time, and taking that too seriously is more of a problem than anything that happens in the game and within the ruleset of the game. Like that one PVE dood posted a long while back, whose solution to ganking was to go to their houses and bludgeon them to death with a bat, because that's a rational and civilized reaction to a pretend setback.

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

If there was any more projection in this post you could build a multiscreen theater around it. Games are not representative of peoples' IRL motivations and actions in the vast majority of cases. If someone plays Epic Mickey, does that mean they're also huffing paint thinner and tagging public buildings? For the chess example, does that mean people are monarchist warmongers for playing? I've played and built a massive 40K Chaos army, enough to field all four Ruinous Powers at once plus the Black Legion and a side order of Daemons - am I in danger of my mortal soul because of my plastic badguy armymens?

This whole "games are a dark mirror showing your true self" concept really needs to stop, because it is silly. Over here in Elite, people are pretending to be spacemen in the future in their spare time, and taking that too seriously is more of a problem than anything that happens in the game and within the ruleset of the game. Like that one PVE dood posted a long while back, whose solution to ganking was to go to their houses and bludgeon them to death with a bat, because that's a rational and civilized reaction to a pretend setback.

Psh! Next you’ll be saying weed won’t drive us mad and that the novel won’t tempt us to sexual adventurism!

 

[Zoltah-Talion]

If there was any more projection in this post you could build a multiscreen theater around it. Games are not representative of peoples' IRL motivations and actions in the vast majority of cases. If someone plays Epic Mickey, does that mean they're also huffing paint thinner and tagging public buildings? For the chess example, does that mean people are monarchist warmongers for playing? I've played and built a massive 40K Chaos army, enough to field all four Ruinous Powers at once plus the Black Legion and a side order of Daemons - am I in danger of my mortal soul because of my plastic badguy armymens?

This whole "games are a dark mirror showing your true self" concept really needs to stop, because it is silly. Over here in Elite, people are pretending to be spacemen in the future in their spare time, and taking that too seriously is more of a problem than anything that happens in the game and within the ruleset of the game. Like that one PVE dood posted a long while back, whose solution to ganking was to go to their houses and bludgeon them to death with a bat, because that's a rational and civilized reaction to a pretend setback.

It's possible you missed the views expressed recently by other users here (mostly from the ganking brotherhood I believe) that the game is boring and only "forum PvP" holds any interest for them now. I am simply doing my bit to add a little color and spice. Being their 'content' perhaps. Do pass over my contributions if they are not to your taste.

ED is the only computer game I play, so I really can't comment on your examples there. I did use to love a good old game of chess back in the day though. It's like the Tango, right? Takes two.

 

[Tarman]

Psh! Next you’ll be saying weed won’t drive us mad and that the novel won’t tempt us to sexual adventurism!

Growing up in the oldendays, I had to live with "D&D will make you worship THE DEVIL"! Because ofc if you get PAID to pretend to be other people it's an acting career, but doing it with your friends for fun means you're gonna put a cat into a fireplace for your dark masters. It's about as believable as Elvis causing the first teenagers to get hotpants because hormones are created by specific recorded frequencies arranged in certain patterns.

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

It's possible you missed the views expressed recently by other users here (mostly from the ganking brotherhood I believe) that the game is boring and only "forum PvP" holds any interest for them now. I am simply doing my bit to add a little color and spice. Being their 'content' perhaps. Do pass over my contributions if they are not to your taste.

ED is the only computer game I play, so I really can't comment on your examples there. I did use to love a good old game of chess back in the day though. It's like the Tango, right? Takes two.

For what it’s worth, I passed over them because they aren’t very good.

Flies and other insects are a critical part of the biological processes that govern life on his planet. Second, of course a bunch of males stranded on an island would go crazy without any women to keep things together!

However that relates to ganking is beyond me. In any case, I’ve got a joint to smoke and the Next Great American Novel to write.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

We don't answer to the PF we answer to Zarek Null. Z0

sadly it isnt him who pays for your insurance premiums and your remlok tho.. it is the PF, therefore you SHOULD be having to answer to the PF for your actions imo. (as should I btw)

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

sadly it isnt him who pays for your insurance premiums and your remlok tho.. it is the PF, therefore you SHOULD be having to answer to the PF for your actions imo. (as should I btw)

Is it possible that maybe, just maybe, the PF doesn’t care? Perhaps they even desire the state of things?

Consider John Jameson’s fate.

 

[Vedmo]

Is it possible that maybe, just maybe, the PF doesn’t care? Perhaps they even desire the state of things?

Consider John Jameson’s fate.

I've always been a proponent of in game realities standing as lore in games I play. All of the links in the world to references in game or out really mean nothing if it isn't what my pilot experiences.

So I would say as of now, the PF is more than willing to turn a blind eye, or only react with a wrist slap when their members go full psychotic murder spree in the PF's own systems, but I'd like to see in game changes made to bring the player experience in line with the story Frontier gave us to build our characters off of.

 

[Krash]

Isn't there a group of lawful Feds that patrol SD on a regular basis? Looks like a good opportunity for emergent gameplay.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Is it possible that maybe, just maybe, the PF doesn’t care? Perhaps they even desire the state of things?

Consider John Jameson’s fate.

seems strange from a logic point of view. Take the extreme example of DW2 / DG2.... (I am not judging the players here btw purely the games handling of the events if you catch my drift)..................... but how many billions have a literal handful of CMDRs cost the PF?

whilst morally maybe they do not care (in which case the lore is wrong about how the PF treats its own members) but from a purely financial perspective one would expect them (or i would at least) to look poorly on how much money they are having to dish out in insurance.