I didn't see it, but if that's how it was I agree: it looks like C&P is working.
Crime & Punishment feature useless?
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I didn't see it, but if that's how it was I agree: it looks like C&P is working.
This. An effective medium combat ship can be bought for less than the rebuy on a Cutter, or one shared wing mission, and G3 engineering gives you most of the benefits of G5 but is basically free in terms of materials, plus remote workshops mean you can do it when you buy the ship.
I don't think the rate of earnings is a problem for it, though - slower engineering and credit gain would make C&P-induced losses more of a problem, but also do the same for losses from every other source, including from being attacked by other players. If anything, the easy credit recovery seems to have significantly reduced the number of complaints about attacks to the point where it needs something like DG2 to make people actually lose something relevant from being destroyed.
(The thing which would actually do the most to stop successful PvP attacks would be to make NPCs considerably more aggressive and effective so that everyone was going round in a reasonably shielded ship with decent evasion skills by default. But that won't be popular either.)
C&P can be improved.
I have currently a 100Cr fine because I hit an NPC when exiting the slot at speed > 100 m/s. It's ridiculous as 100Cr is noting for me. For a starting player in a Sidewinder in LHS 3447 it's different, so I would suggest fines to be related to the current asset value of the player and in relation to the crime. A punishment should really mean something to a player.
I have currently a 100Cr fine because I hit an NPC when exiting the slot at speed > 100 m/s. It's ridiculous as 100Cr is noting for me. For a starting player in a Sidewinder in LHS 3447 it's different, so I would suggest fines to be related to the current asset value of the player and in relation to the crime. A punishment should really mean something to a player.
If people want to watch a football match they better bring a baseball bat.
I can't be bothered. But I'd totally go to watch a match where the players bring them.
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Context and a tiny bit imagination
PvP = Player vs. Player
GvP = Ganker vs. Player (a troubled subsection of PvP and typically the prime reason for Threads like this one)
It serves a very good purpose.
When one player in a high end combat ship kills weak players in sideys or other non-combat ships, the bounty gets very very high. As long as the bounty isn't cleared, they are locked out from station access. Same result for fines.
One other way out is to scrap the ship and modules and do all the buying and engineering again.
So yes it is a good system and works like it should, haven't seen uber-Cutters on a killing spree against Asp's or similar since quite some time now
C&P is about as effective as launching cansiters of fish as your enemies.
oh you're that notorious criminal EVERYONE knows about and theres a billion cr bounty on your head and our internal klaxon is whaling so loud its bouncing off the wall, we even send a message telling you your not welcome here, because we know its you, but as soon as you request docking?
all's forgiven, Landing pad 5, the Champagnes on ice, welcome commander
oh you're that notorious criminal EVERYONE knows about and theres a billion cr bounty on your head and our internal klaxon is whaling so loud its bouncing off the wall, we even send a message telling you your not welcome here, because we know its you, but as soon as you request docking?
all's forgiven, Landing pad 5, the Champagnes on ice, welcome commander
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Explain to me again how the explorers "just failed to realise"?
I think you're not trying hard enough and just expecting everyone to swallow your shallow explanation because of the time honored tradition of "gankas bad".
But by all means, keep up the thoroughly unconvincing 3 line posts.
Hey, just like in real life man! This game is really "PC" realistic. Criminals get off scot-free, no matter what they do and law abiding citizens get screwed, no matter what they do. Awesome!
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Innocence doesnt exist. Only some that think they are better then others.
Irrelevant to the topic, boy.
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Being space criminals is irrelevant to the topic of crime & punishment?
No, irrelevant to the way C-P is implemented. Quoted poster suggested that C-P is backwards.
I only suggested that it reflects reality, regardless of the existence of criminals.
Therefore criminals are irrelevant. To me at least.
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Criminals are the reason why the newish Crime and Punishment exists. How is it irrelevant?
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Sure, no matter what... except build a decent ship, fly it competently, and pay attention to their surroundings.
Talk about irrelevance.
Well, if we didn't have criminals we wouldn't have this problem, now would we?
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What a strange conversation this has turned into?
Mr. Eastwood, is that you?
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