No they don't indeed.
You would say Banjotails should be having a problem with paying for the DLC content as it added 0.0 gameplay.
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Why are people complaining about DLC
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No they don't indeed.
You would say Banjotails should be having a problem with paying for the DLC content as it added 0.0 gameplay.
All I am hearing from the keyboard warriors is basically "This game isn't like RCT3". The game doesn't have this or that or what I want.
If you don't like it.... don't play it.... don't support it.... don't comment on a forum about a game you don't like.
Go knit or something else constructive.... I don't know, maybe bake some cupcakes? I find baking is a great calming tool when stressed.[yesnod] mmmm cupcakes.
I paid for RCTW and they failed to deliver what I was hoping for massively and have never returned to complain and moan. I moved on.... maybe others should do the same.
If you don't like it.... don't play it.... don't support it.... don't comment on a forum about a game you don't like.
Go knit or something else constructive.... I don't know, maybe bake some cupcakes? I find baking is a great calming tool when stressed.[yesnod] mmmm cupcakes.
I paid for RCTW and they failed to deliver what I was hoping for massively and have never returned to complain and moan. I moved on.... maybe others should do the same.
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I think its a great idea .. People at Frontier need to eat as well
Im more surprised we are getting stuff for free so often actually.
STOP THIS! Stop acting like this is some charity case that we all have to support them or all their employees will go starving. The company posted a 500% increase in profits, they are not hurting financially and to see their own mods belittle the community like this as if "we need to live in the real world" and "Frontier needs to eat" and "We should be thankful for all this free stuff!" is getting extremely insulting to those of us who have supported the devs through paying extra for alpha, buying coaster club membership, putting our avatars in everyones game, soundtracks, t-shirts, DLC packs, expos!...seriously ?! The community DOES support them! [mad][mad][mad]
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You just sound like typical RCTW fanboy back in the days, it´s quite nostalgic
.According to your, forums are probably only for praising devs? Telling us to go away and stop posting is insulting. You should grow up and when you do so, maybe you realize what criticism is all about and also that complaining about the game doesn´t mean we don´t like it...If you didn´t complain about RCTW, it was only your choice.Do you even read the threads and posts?
We don't say we don't like the game (at least I'm not).
The things they add are great but they are seriously lacking some foundations to work with.
I've seen for example some seriously good firework shows, but I don't even wanna know how much work that took.
Lame, this is the best you got? talking about being constructive........
Did you buy it at release? Anybody who bought that game after seeing the Beta should have known better, that's a whole different ball game than Planet Coaster.
You only got yourself to blame on this one.
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It indeed goes 2 ways, Frontier needs us just as much as we need Frontier (if you want to play a game)
And indeed, they might have had a 500% increase but you should place this in perspective as well... In the former year they did a LOT of investments and thus made a very small profit. Then they could start selling the game and thus the profits are up. Take into account they are now developing Jurassic World which again needs a lot of money for investment before they can start to make a profit.
And no you are right, they company is very healthy financially. But still they are no charity company and money needs to be made, thats how they STAY healty in the future. Personally i feel that the base game + all the additions we got for FREE were worth the money i paid initially. So for the same reason i feel it's justify'd to pay more if i want more. Thats not insulting to anyone as it's just my opinion, feel free to feel different.
Last but not least this opinion has nothing to do with me being a mod. Im just saying this because it's my honest opinion.
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Looks like someone got out of the wrong side of bed this morning [mouth shut]
Steam has free games for download. Go there and leave us alone.
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I don´t think the question is if it was worth or not. Neither free content nor paid content has real value unless the base game is not healthy. Throughout the year, we have got plenty of additions but minimum important fixes (not saying they didn´t fix anything, but the most crucial problems are not addressed since the alpha). Even if they added 20 rides for free in the upcoming update, I wouldn´t find that worthy for me. And I believe there is handful of people who agree with this.It´s nonsense to add more to the game, until it gets more polished. Even more nonsense to release paid DLCs for game that is broken. It´s not that bad as RCTW for instance, but that´s not a reason to be happy. Many things in this game made a lot of people to uninstall this game, me included.Also, because of PC, I´m not going to pre-order JPE, nor buy it after it´s release because I simply have no faith in Frontier´s game that I will rly enjoy it. This approach might hurt them in the long run, if more and more people do the same.
Thank you for valuable contribution. I hope tomorrow you will get out of the right side of bed.
Yep, me too, as is with all DLC packs that are coming, see first, buy later.
And these updates are not free, it's included in the initial price you paid, which differs very much depending on the time of buying. So saying it's free is dumb. It just doesnt cost any more than you initially paid.
Like said, I learned my lesson, I'm never ever buying a game in Early Acces or Beta again.
I always get out of bed on the left side, not sure if that is always the right side. [wacky]
And please stop saying people need to leave, just because you have nothing else to say.
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Where did it say when you bought the game that it included X number of free updates? I can';t find that statement anywhere on the receipt I got from purchasing of the game or where they sell the game today. Up until they announced the first free update none of us even expected more than maybe bug fixes (like every other game out there). Then we started to get new features and rides in the updates and people started to get greedy (my take on it). When you do a purchase, any purchase, you evaluate what you will get and what you know (facts) about the agreement between you and the seller. If you are OK with the information you have and like the price you make the decision to buy it. If you are still hesitant you have two options, wait until you know more or buy it on speculation (primarily true for everyone during the early access). Either way, you are not entitled to more than what you got upon purchase unless it was specifically promised in the sale statement. By the seller (Frontier) adding more features (yo may or may not like the features added) your initial purchase actually becomes more valuable since you are getting more than promised by the seller when you decided to make the purchase. Simple economics in your favor.
That is your choice to uninstall the game if you like and no one will chastise you for it. Good for you.
As far as JPE goes, it is again your choice. But what you are saying is that even if the game turns out to be awesome and enjoyed by a majority of people without complains (yourself included after carefully review it and maybe even play a demo if available) you still won't buy it so you can "stick it to Frontier"? If that is the case, I think it is more your loss (out of playing a great game that could have given you countless of hours of fun) than Frontier's.
Not saying JPE will be great, time will tell. But to write off a new game we really know nothing about just because you don't like another game the same company made seems a short minded. If everyone would do that a company like EA would no longer be in business for example.
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To keep it short, free updates are pretty much normal and they always were. Even in 90s games, I was expecting patches and updates with some new content (new maps, weapons, skins). It works pretty much the same nowadays, just paid DLCs are released usually also.
I´m not writing it off, but I´m not buying it before the release or before I make sure it works the way I expect. It means for instance that I will buy it for cheap in sale, instead of pre-ordering (maybe some sort of special edition like Early Bird) so Frontier will get less money from me.
People should just realize this is a bussiness and we are the customers. If we are not happy, we won´t buy future products from Frontier and they will feel that. That´s how it works. Also most of us, the reasonable people, do not say everything should be free. All we want is to get the game into reasonable state and then focus on paid content Yet, people who still protect Frontier (protectem from what actually?) or even some fanboys still keep putting words into our mouths that we want everything free. Just get your facts straight people. And when these people are out of arguments, they tell us to go away... Pathetic and childish
Read, I never stated that it was advertised on forehand or when the game is bought.
It does not matter when you buy the game, the updates are included at the time bought or after that, so it is still fair to say it is included in the price. Because I bought the game (too) early does not mean it is free for me. I already paid for it thus everything I get after it is considered included in the price as the same content is available to someone who buys it today (and pays for the game and its included updates (and gets a hell of a lot better deal than me)). Now I do not say updates should be free (but bug fixes, gameplay improvements (not additions) should however).
Let's just say FREE is not the correct word.
But you would at least expect the updates to improve the flaws that are in the base game. 12 months on and marginal improvements.
Now you say any addition makes the game more valuable, but does it really?
Is the game now worth more than the the price paid. I think it is not. I think it is still at the same level as one year ago, and those rides don't improve the game, they expand it.
Adding something does not instantly make something worth more, it's not how economics work.
The game has some fundamental flaws, and I still see everyday so many good suggestions of improvement and by the looks of it they do absolutely nothing with it. (read: looks of it).
They can make as many paid DLC's as they want. I might still buy them, but if you are into more than just sandboxing around the game is not (yet) done and thus not worth it's price.
They've been advertising free updates since the game was released. A free winter update. A free spring update. A free summer update. A free anniversary update. They've been announcing, promising and hyping up free updates since the game came out. They love to talk about their free updates. Free is totally the correct word because they use it all the time themselves.
I still stand by what I said earlier even if it came off like I woke up on the wrong side of the bed. This community (and their Elite community) does support them and the belittling when there's criticism is completely unnecessarily. They don't post huge profits for nothing. They post big profits because they are supported by their fans and by bringing in new customers that see that dedication they bring to their communities and their games. These guys are a top notch dev/publisher and there's no reason with their success and our support that we need to tell people that have criticism that they're ungrateful or they need to support putting food on the table or they need to live in the real world. That kind of belittling only divides and pushes people away.
I still stand by what I said earlier even if it came off like I woke up on the wrong side of the bed. This community (and their Elite community) does support them and the belittling when there's criticism is completely unnecessarily. They don't post huge profits for nothing. They post big profits because they are supported by their fans and by bringing in new customers that see that dedication they bring to their communities and their games. These guys are a top notch dev/publisher and there's no reason with their success and our support that we need to tell people that have criticism that they're ungrateful or they need to support putting food on the table or they need to live in the real world. That kind of belittling only divides and pushes people away.
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Totally agree here, Stop this DLC nonsense get the BASE GAME sorted mainly now on various tools and management to reflect design. It is frustrating when this game has sooo much potential however I do feel it is now coming to a light that the game itself is a half hearted attempt of building the utopian roller coaster game of all time and sooner or later another software team will learn from this and ADVANCE THE BASE Game, no doubt they will set up DX12 from the beginning also
Exactly. I hope Frontier will just wake up. The game is not possible to fix in many aspects, but what can be fixed should be fixed. Then, I will support them with paid DLCs. But I´m not going to pay extra cent for a game I sadly cannot enjoy, as bad as I want to, I simply can´t for some of it´s flaws.That being said, if there is anyone who can learn from this and make better gane in foreseeable future, then go ahead. In the end, I don´t need this sort of game by this company. If anyone else do better, I will move over to their side, saying bye bye to Frontier. Even if it´s Atari I truly hate, if their upcoming RCT with VR support will be worth it, I will forget about PC real quick.Totally agree here, Stop this DLC nonsense get the BASE GAME sorted mainly now on various tools and management to reflect design. It is frustrating when this game has sooo much potential however I do feel it is now coming to a light that the game itself is a half hearted attempt of building the utopian roller coaster game of all time and sooner or later another software team will learn from this and ADVANCE THE BASE Game, no doubt they will set up DX12 from the beginning also
En_Anu and Mr.sugar -
I don't call DLC nonsense. Don't forget though that paying for the game is a one time thing which means that without DLC Frontier would only be able to get income from selling the game to new players. DLC helps by allowing them to offer something for existing players as well.
At least they are not charging a subscription - I bet you wouldn't like that either. Some form of income is needed in order to be able to maintain and add features.
Shane
I don't call DLC nonsense. Don't forget though that paying for the game is a one time thing which means that without DLC Frontier would only be able to get income from selling the game to new players. DLC helps by allowing them to offer something for existing players as well.
At least they are not charging a subscription - I bet you wouldn't like that either. Some form of income is needed in order to be able to maintain and add features.
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I consider it a nonsense at this current point. PC is selling very well, as was said by frontier. It´s not even the year after the initial release. They released several updates, each of them brought new players (more money). They are no way lacking money. The game has some issues that could be fixed, but it´s not DLC that will help to fix them. In my opinion, if the game has some major flaws, it should be addressed first before paid DLCs. If not, I won´t buy the DLCs (and I think as time will go by, more and more players will loose interest in the game unless something start to happening regarding the important fixes), less and less people will be buying new content. I honestly hope they fix it, or else sales start dropping. It´s the only thing that could force Frontier to do something. Ofcourse, I´m afraid as long as people keep buying the DLCs, they will simply focus on that more. Understandable, but not acceptable for me as a customer. In short, what direction will they take is in our hands. Our wallets will have to speak.
That's purely your opinion which I respect although I still stand by mine. Unfortunately some of what people want are not likely to happen due to constraints on what is supported by current systems.
Take DirectX 12 for example. Quite a few seem to want support for it, but if Frontier only supported it it would effectively shut out anyone who is not using Windows 10. It's actually the same with some of the optimisation requirements that are due to DirectX 11 limitations. Even if Frontier supported both DX11 and DX12 together, those who have pre-Windows 10 versions wouldn't be able to make use of the DX12 features as DirectX is not forward compatible.
I agree there are aspects that need to be sorted but the difficult part is prioritising these, and unfortunately people making several threads about them makes that harder to work out what needs to be prioritised.
Shane
Take DirectX 12 for example. Quite a few seem to want support for it, but if Frontier only supported it it would effectively shut out anyone who is not using Windows 10. It's actually the same with some of the optimisation requirements that are due to DirectX 11 limitations. Even if Frontier supported both DX11 and DX12 together, those who have pre-Windows 10 versions wouldn't be able to make use of the DX12 features as DirectX is not forward compatible.
I agree there are aspects that need to be sorted but the difficult part is prioritising these, and unfortunately people making several threads about them makes that harder to work out what needs to be prioritised.
Shane
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