Allow use of pre 3.3 Advanced Discovery Scanner

What long standing game elements are you talking about? The FSD was a (way too) long standing placeholder if not even the opposite, a non existing game element. And it's high time all these empty holes being filled by now with true content and not leaving behind such nonsense like the FSD. Though not without some pain, I could accept an Exclusive Or solution as in Ziljan's original proposal. But your idea of just selling the old FSD without any form of repercussion is ridiculous. Not sure why the new forum seem to inspire you to a new attempt, what's so different now? More noobs perhaps in the hope for some easy pushovers?

But then there's still the argument of extra maintenance costs, why I strongly doubt your campaign will ever be crowned with success.

Assuming you meant 'ADS' not 'FSD':

It's not ridiculous at all - you just don't like the idea.
 
Oh dear, what a misrepresentation. There a are a plethora of resources showing you how to interpret the "icons" you dismiss. Once you got to know the rough "goldilocks zone" of star types you could even venture whether there were terraformable bodies.
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Since when is expanding the game The Developer's waste of time?
This thread is about feedback and possible solutions to those aspects of the updates some consider negative changes.
Developers themselves asked for feedback.

Moving backwards isn't expanding. They already had the minority "don't like it" response and ignored it when feedback on it was relevant.
 
Agreed. I hope the snore fest is ended one day, and we can get a little more information with one honk than we get now. I can't bear the sounds of those whistling gas giants anymore, in search of an extraordinary system. Jump and honk was bad, but jump-and-jump-through-30-hoops is even worse.
 
While it's still your campaign. I know your history and efforts on that matter, noobs most likely will not.
That's why I talked to you in the first place, not to the OP.

Well I'm flattered, but there is no need to make this personal ;)

If this thread is closed I don't imagine this will be the end of the matter, and if I see a thread proposing something I am in favour of I'll probably add my support.
 
Moving backwards isn't expanding.
I would by no means like the devs to "move backwards".
Since many times over this thread I claimed that I do not wish anything be removed from the game as is.
I'd much rather focus on the possibility of reintroducing what's been removed. Sure enough, many have expressed their disapproval of old exploration mechanics.
I do not see any harm in reintroducing aspects of the game that have already been implemented. Both parties are satisfied this way. Nothing is taken from anybody.
As Para Handy mentioned, people did stand for ADS to remain in the game. But the Developers didn't listen. For whatever reason, i don't judge.
I would like all of You to focus on that rather than taking this request and proposed solutions as an attack on FSS.
ADS could be an extention to the FSS. For those willing to do so. Experimental effect? Module? Through engineering? You name it. If (re)introduced as optional method i can't really notice any downsides. As mentioned further above, it would not look like much work either(at least appears to not be). We are talking about reintroducing things, already within the game. As optional method of carrying out exploration. Let everyone find their playstyle. I do not want to attack neither Developers nor those strongly praising FSS over ADS. Just asking You to notice the positive effects it may have on those more inclined towards the ADS and to the game overall.
 
I would by no means like the devs to "move backwards".
Since many times over this thread I claimed that I do not wish anything be removed from the game as is.
I'd much rather focus on the possibility of reintroducing what's been removed. Sure enough, many have expressed their disapproval of old exploration mechanics.
I do not see any harm in reintroducing aspects of the game that have already been implemented. Both parties are satisfied this way. Nothing is taken from anybody.
As Para Handy mentioned, people did stand for ADS to remain in the game. But the Developers didn't listen. For whatever reason, i don't judge.
I would like all of You to focus on that rather than taking this request and proposed solutions as an attack on FSS.
ADS could be an extention to the FSS. For those willing to do so. Experimental effect? Module? Through engineering? You name it. If (re)introduced as optional method i can't really notice any downsides. As mentioned further above, it would not look like much work either(at least appears to not be). We are talking about reintroducing things, already within the game. As optional method of carrying out exploration. Let everyone find their playstyle. I do not want to attack neither Developers nor those strongly praising FSS over ADS. Just asking You to notice the positive effects it may have on those more inclined towards the ADS and to the game overall.

I don't think its an attack on the FSS, I think players should adapt to the game.
 
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This still doesnt explain why the endless nay saying. If people had just got on with it and held a truely neutral attitude to all this, then why do they keep posting?

One could ask why people who have abandoned Elite keep on posting in the forum. ;)

You will recall that my previous posts to you (in the previous forum) were basically calling you out for the continuous restating of your complaint, HUNDREDS of posts and in every thread you could crowbar them into.

So it isn't a case of not being receptive to the idea of alterations to the mechanic, it is rather a riposte against the continual 'FSS is "jobbie"'. It isn't that bad, it is just different and people who refuse to engage with it really are just hurting themselves.
 
I think players should adapt to the game.
Agreed. And so They did.
And with proposed changes they still would. FSS would be kept in it's current form should Developers decide otherways or alter it in any way. The key here is, that FSS stays in the game, everyone has to adapt to the method of scanning, using it to scan. Yet those who seek something different from the exploration aspect should be allowed to.
Both current and new players would get a chance to decide which style suits them more.
All "Photo Explorers"(as neatly named higher in the thread), cherry pickers and "hardcore" explorers would have their own take with ships crafted using tools dedicated to their playstyle. Just like it is viable in combat and mining scenarios.
 
Never will happen. There was huge complaints that jump honk fly was a placeholder and we wanted more advanced exploration tools. Analysis mode is a great tool for anything and why wa;lk back a simple thing when it can be more granular?

Your place holder is still there, they have just covered up the pictures of the planets. It seems that they didnt listen to those complaints either. This leads me to beleive it would be very simple indeed to just add the old module back.

One could ask why people who have abandoned Elite keep on posting in the forum. ;)

You will recall that my previous posts to you (in the previous forum) were basically calling you out for the continuous restating of your complaint, HUNDREDS of posts and in every thread you could crowbar them into.

Dont exagerate. I keep posting cause i hope for change altho i no longer expect it. I also want Fdev to know exactly what i think about what they did to my enjoyment of the game.
 
people who refuse to engage with it really are just hurting themselves.
Agreed here. FSS is a somewhat fun mechanic to be introduced after rather shallow get-close-to-scan alternative.
That's why this thread is pro FSS. And so is pro ADS. If not ADS as a whole then just the aspect of having the system map revealed as it used to be with old honk. Again - for those who would like this. At a reasonable trade-off.
What some people in this thread seem to fail to understand is that this is by no means a complaint thread. I'd like to explore the idea of having map reveal coexisting with FSS.
As I, still, firmly believe it's possible. I would like to encourage variety in exploration methods for those who enjoy doing it in a way they see fit. Not forced.
 
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