PvP I've been corrupted *sigh*

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Maybe hold this button longer. Seriously why put so much energy in to this discussion?
Very first post showed that HE understand how to play this game properly.
The game who is dedicated to griefers/gankers or whatever you call them.
https://www.elitedangerous.com/features/fight/
you’ll need combat skills to survive !
yes
YOU ALL!

Do I have to feel bad now for trying to murder another CMDR in cold blood, to further my own goals?
Absolutely not, you are not able to kill any one, they escape in ePods
 
Maybe hold this button longer. Seriously why put so much energy in to this discussion?
Very first post showed that HE understand how to play this game properly.
The game who is dedicated to griefers/gankers or whatever you call them.
https://www.elitedangerous.com/features/fight/
you’ll need combat skills to survive !
yes
YOU ALL!
It is kind of hard to buy into the whole 'live fast, die young' vibe you're selling here when your avatar is a picture of someone wearing a bicycle helmet.
 
It has occurred to me that in order to catch up with your reputation that I'll have to get you banned for a couple of years.
In an entirely unrelated note: tell me what you think about the moderation on these forums.

Not really. What you have to understand about my rep score is that I've taken the hardest route possible on this forum: not only am I a well known friend of the worst villains to play this game, I'm an outspoken advocate of their villainous playstyles. I've been defending murder-hobos, noob smashers, playah killahs and assorted scumbags for years now, as well as partaking in quite a bit of the dark arts myself (no noob smashing though). Take my minor participation in and press releases for the Distant Ganks Initiative: never a popular course on this forum. Plus factor in that I'm a traitor, because I used to be a staunchly PvE anti PvPer. The point being, playing to the prevailing PvE group/solo/anti-PvP crowd is a far better way to farm rep--every point that I make is worth 20+ of doing it that way.

PS: I love the mods here, they're awesome and I wouldn't trade them for all the whiskey in Ireland.
 
Not really. What you have to understand about my rep score is that I've taken the hardest route possible on this forum: not only am I a well known friend of the worst villains to play this game, I'm an outspoken advocate of their villainous playstyles. I've been defending murder-hobos, noob smashers, playah killahs and assorted scumbags for years now, as well as partaking in quite a bit of the dark arts myself (no noob smashing though). Take my minor participation in and press releases for the Distant Ganks Initiative: never a popular course on this forum. Plus factor in that I'm a traitor, because I used to be a staunchly PvE anti PvPer. The point being, playing to the prevailing PvE group/solo/anti-PvP crowd is a far better way to farm rep--every point that I make is worth 20+ of doing it that way.

PS: I love the mods here, they're awesome and I wouldn't trade them for all the whiskey in Ireland.

I was a pretty hard core anti-PK back in Ultima Online (1998).
I wrote many thousands of words absolutely decrying the evils of PKs, using much of the same terminology we've seen on this forum.
If my diatribes were forgivable it would only be because there were so few options back then.
In short, we've probably both written the same sorts of anti-PK nonsense that often graces these pages.

And then one day it occurred to me: This is a game I play for entertainment and I play it voluntarily.

At some point a person has to take ownership of his entertainment choices. And while that has always been true, it is even more true today now that we've literally thousands of online gaming options and most of those games have various modes - the level of customization and the myriad of choices really leave no excuse to be playing anything other than what you find to be absolutely thrilling. That combined with irritation over 'mind-reading' - the projection of some sort of psychosis onto people who play differently - was enough to drive me away from PvE apologetics.

That said, for the most part I'm a PvE player because I like to relax when I play games.
I do like having the PvP option available though.

HOMEWORK: I'd like you to post an anti-PK rant in the style you would have written it back in the day.

As for the moderators here, well in my 20 years of gaming I've yet to be a part of a community where the moderators were so absolutely perfect. The game itself is passable, the only reason I play is to be a part of the community so I can watch the moderators on the forums in action. They're just so damn awesome.
 
At some point a person has to take ownership of his entertainment choices. And while that has always been true, it is even more true today now that we've literally thousands of online gaming options and most of those games have various modes - the level of customization and the myriad of choices really leave no excuse to be playing anything other than what you find to be absolutely thrilling. That combined with irritation over 'mind-reading' - the projection of some sort of psychosis onto people who play differently - was enough to drive me away from PvE apologetics.

This is such solid insight.
 
I was a pretty hard core anti-PK back in Ultima Online (1998).
I wrote many thousands of words absolutely decrying the evils of PKs, using much of the same terminology we've seen on this forum.
If my diatribes were forgivable it would only be because there were so few options back then.
In short, we've probably both written the same sorts of anti-PK nonsense that often graces these pages.

And then one day it occurred to me: This is a game I play for entertainment and I play it voluntarily.

At some point a person has to take ownership of his entertainment choices. And while that has always been true, it is even more true today now that we've literally thousands of online gaming options and most of those games have various modes - the level of customization and the myriad of choices really leave no excuse to be playing anything other than what you find to be absolutely thrilling. That combined with irritation over 'mind-reading' - the projection of some sort of psychosis onto people who play differently - was enough to drive me away from PvE apologetics.

That said, for the most part I'm a PvE player because I like to relax when I play games.
I do like having the PvP option available though.

HOMEWORK: I'd like you to post an anti-PK rant in the style you would have written it back in the day.

As for the moderators here, well in my 20 years of gaming I've yet to be a part of a community where the moderators were so absolutely perfect. The game itself is passable, the only reason I play is to be a part of the community so I can watch the moderators on the forums in action. They're just so damn awesome.
In Elite, I am a well known PKer, noob smasher, destroyer of your fun, and I love it and will never apologize for it, but a few months ago I was playing Sea of Thieves and my crew and I had just finished defeating and plundering one of those skull island things when another crew of players shows up, annihilates us, and sails off with all our treasure. After attempting to get it back and having our ship sunk again in a matter of seconds, I screamed to myself "THIS GAME NEEDS PRIVATE SERV.......hold on a second, what have I become?". I'm literally playing a game called Sea of Thieves that has gameplay based around stealing loot from other players and I'm complaining about my loot being stolen from another player.

Morale of the story is, I understand why other players loose their minds when I blow them up for no reason, but it still isn't an excuse for people to act that way that they do. If I was using some kind of exploit or cheat, I would completely understand but what I do is 100% within the rules of the game, which is exactly what this is, just another game.
 
In Elite, I am a well known PKer, noob smasher, destroyer of your fun, and I love it and will never apologize for it, but a few months ago I was playing Sea of Thieves and my crew and I had just finished defeating and plundering one of those skull island things when another crew of players shows up, annihilates us, and sails off with all our treasure. After attempting to get it back and having our ship sunk again in a matter of seconds, I screamed to myself "THIS GAME NEEDS PRIVATE SERV.......hold on a second, what have I become?". I'm literally playing a game called Sea of Thieves that has gameplay based around stealing loot from other players and I'm complaining about my loot being stolen from another player.

Morale of the story is, I understand why other players loose their minds when I blow them up for no reason, but it still isn't an excuse for people to act that way that they do. If I was using some kind of exploit or cheat, I would completely understand but what I do is 100% within the rules of the game, which is exactly what this is, just another game.

This story gave me a chuckle.
 
At some point a person has to take ownership of his entertainment choices. And while that has always been true, it is even more true today now that we've literally thousands of online gaming options and most of those games have various modes - the level of customization and the myriad of choices really leave no excuse to be playing anything other than what you find to be absolutely thrilling. That combined with irritation over 'mind-reading' - the projection of some sort of psychosis onto people who play differently - was enough to drive me away from PvE apologetics.
Pretty much exactly where I stand on this. I'll still be strongly against the few PvPers that keep trying to come up with ways to bribe/coerce/force PvE players into open (which is where most of my forum-headbutting has taken place with PvP players) but while the modes exist, the level of raging about gankers in some threads has been just plain unwarranted when a simple button click can delete them from your online life forever.
 
I've noticed the "open only BGS" things have quietened down a touch now that UA bombing has been deleted and 1-man-authority-massacres appear to have been nerfed in effectiveness, which is where the major source of frustration was from people being attacked from solo/private with no means of preventing/defending against it. It was pretty frustrating when one guy could stack as many inf- buckets as two or three people working full-time could produce inf+ for the same amount of effort thanks to the uncapped transaction system.
 
I wonder why there’s such an ideological struggle between PvE and PvP and Gankers and Anti-Gankers. Sure, playing cops and robbers in game is fun and all but the stuff that spills on the forums really can go over the top.

And this comes from someone who was very zealous about Open Only everything! Now I wonder why I was so excited about it in the first place.
Part of it could be desensitization to being killed by other players. When I was primarily into PvE I was so engineered that hardly any NPC could kill me ... except for orbital stations and Thargoid Interceptors. My ego wasn't affected because I could just ascribe it to sheer stupidity or end game material. In PvP, which I first experienced in CQC, I was at first very taken aback by the seeming sheer blitzkrieg brutality and just wanted to sit down, give up and cry. Now, I have been blown up so much that I just don't care anymore; it just irks me having to maintain rebuys. However, although I now know not to judge griefers and gankers, I still really would feel terrible if I blew up a newbie or were responsible for an explorer losing millions in data. I cannot not value other people's time.

There are people who are not accustomed to having their egos shredded. Perhaps they are merely projecting these unconscious insecurities on to others by being dogmatic about killing players?

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It is kind of hard to buy into the whole 'live fast, die young' vibe you're selling here when your avatar is a picture of someone wearing a bicycle helmet.
What has that got to do with? Avatar it's just me, promoting active life.
Now you just proof that you are no-life troll, being annoying here.
 
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