Space Force Presents: Operation Drag Queen

[Kethriss]

To be clear, I wasn't talking about PvP in general, just this ludicrous 'Space Force' nonsense. The SF stuff is exactly as I described.

There is no difference. All PvP is PvP as permitted by the rules of the game. Rules that have been thrown out of balance with this stupid drag mechanic.

Stop trying to equate getting your pretend spaceship getting blown up in a computer game to real life hostage situations. It's an insult to anybody who's ever actually had to go through the trauma of being in one.

 

[GreyAreaUK]

There is no difference.

There very much is.

And, again to be clear, I've never equated it with a 'hostage situation' so stop putting words in my mouth.

 

[Kethriss]

There very much is.

And, again to be clear, I've never equated it with a 'hostage situation' so stop putting words in my mouth.

No, there isn't. People in an Open PvP environment are killing other people in an Open PvP environment and they're using a broken mechanic to demonstrate how it's broken so that it gets fixed.

And yes, you did. You tried to appeal to people's sense of emotion by drawing parallels between the above and an actual hostage situation, just like y'all do every time you call "griefers" rapists, or terrorists, or murderers, or school shooters, or any other frequent attempt to draw parallels between objectively harmless events in a computer game to real life in the exact same manner you just did.

 

[Interstellar Overdrive]

My real one? It's fun to see people getting upset because of a change that MAY make the game unfun to them, while they have no problem making the game unfun for others. Got it?

No. Did not get. This is change by developer.
Makes the game worse for everyone. That is how bad it is.

And this change has been decided and went through live, without Beta testing, so is condoned by FDEV. You should be ok with it and not argue it, no?

And regarding this change, so what? A lot of engineering mods are broken.
You can have un-engineered ships facing murderships. It is far from being the most broken thing in the game.
I could make a list as long as couple of A4 pages of things not balanced.

What I find ironic is that you have no problem hiding behind FDEV design choice unless it affects you and how you play the game.
That tells a lot.

No. No. And no.
Not the most broken. Very high impact nonetheless.

Very good suggestion. Just block the griefers. That's what I do, works a treat

Good luck with that. It now takes very little time to raise a CMDR to PvP-able from scratch. With every Elite sale I buy a couple of copies, I am not a griefer though

Hmm...



Looks like a 100% hostage situation to me.

No.

If you're ganking people minding their own business, it's unlikely that things would go well for them regardless of what engineer special effects you put on your weapons. You'll have to gank them in such a way that it highlights how awful drag munitions are for the game, rather than how awful YOU are for the game. Otherwise they're not going to be asking Frontier to remove drag munitions they're going to be asking Frontier to remove YOU.

Yeah, you will now have to be able to tank more damage to escape.This will limit viable builds.

C'mon now, you know well that "I am just role playing a mass murderer" is the most lame excuse ever in the history of ganking and griefing. There will be a few that TRULY role play such character, but 99.9% of the cases it's utter nonsense and a lame excuse.



No, but we could try posting constructive criticism on the forums and wait for the developers' response without being drag drama queens.

No. Beta.

So what's the difference? We are not in a game btw, this forum is real life and so are the devs.

If there was a point here I'm sure I have lost it by now

Dark Souls was pretty weak, actually, and no, just because you want to slap on a quick label to something that is far more complex a matter to make yourself feel better just isn't going to work here. The point I am making and illustrating is the nature of subjective interpretation and the undeniable fact that it is, by this very subjective nature, difficult, if not impossible to define in a manner that is free of ambiguity or interpretation.



Thing is, like Star above, you're rushing past the point, eyes closed, blinders on, visions of victory already in your head, without even realizing you're running the wrong direction here.

To be clear, I am not defending Justice Potter - but merely utilizing the same frame of reference to illustrate that we cannot clearly define something that is, by its nature, ambiguous and as definable as division by zero in the set of real numbers.

Or, as I prefer, the Cilantro test.

Does Cilantro taste good? My vote is no. Your may differ. But can we define "tastes good" based on the flavor of cilantro?

That is a genetics issue and has very little to do with the issue at hand. This is not really a preference thing.

Why is anyone surprised at those group of "PvPers" ganking / griefing others? They have been doing them since day 1. Like old saying, crying baby gets milk... Just ignore them.

Hmm. No.

In this whole "what does 'griefing' mean, anyway?"-debate, there is one very simple rule.

Don't annoy other players, and don't waste their time.

If you're asking yourself why you get labeled a griefer and why people start blocking you, refer to this rule.

No. That will not do at all. I cannot decide what annoys other people, that is up to them. The time was wasted once they clicked 'play'.

 

[Deareim]

I am allowed my opinions and I have made, what I think you'll find, is an accurate summary of your post. If I have however made a mistake in my interpretation then feel free to point it out. Unless you have already played with these changes, then you are making an assumption based on one line of text, and already threatening FD and players because of it.

Great behavior for moderator.

 

[GreyAreaUK]

No, there isn't. People in an Open PvP environment are killing other people in an Open PvP environment and they're using a broken mechanic to demonstrate how it's broken so that it gets fixed.

And yes, you did. You tried to appeal to people's sense of emotion by drawing parallels between the above and an actual hostage situation, just like y'all do every time you call "griefers" rapists, or terrorists, or murderers, or school shooters, or any other frequent attempt to draw parallels between objectively harmless events in a computer game to real life in the exact same manner you just did.

You might want to consider that if you have to lie about what I said in order to make your point, you don't have a very good point.

I have no problem with PvP. It's not my thing, but Open is Open.
I have, however, never equated it with hostage taking, and if you imply I have one more time I will report the post.

The SF group have made a threat to take action against players until Frontier submit to their demands. That's literally what they have done. It's right there in Post #1. Go read it.

 

[Kethriss]

You might want to consider that if you have to lie about what I said in order to make your point, you don't have a very good point.

I have no problem with PvP. It's not my thing, but Open is Open.
I have, however, never equated it with hostage taking, and if you imply I have one more time I will report the post.

The SF group have made a threat to take action against players until Frontier submit to their demands. That's literally what they have done. It's right there in Post #1. Go read it.

Here you are attempting to appeal to people's sense of emotion by drawing parallels between PvP and a real life hostage situation.

Indeed no, it's just one group of players threatening to take punitive action against another group of players until the game developers submit to their demands.

And no, they didn't "threaten" anything.

They said they're going to do what they already have been doing: which is PvPing, except that now they're going to do it specifically with the broken mechanic to highlight how broken it is.

This is no different than refusing to play until a bug gets fixed, except the only way this bug WILL get fixed is if it's shown how it breaks the game, because frontier thought to make it an intended mechanic.

 

[GreyAreaUK]

Here you are attempting to appeal to people's sense of emotion by drawing parallels between PvP and a real life hostage situation.

No, I am not. Stop lying.

And no, they didn't "threaten" anything.

Pretty much did.

They said they're going to do what they already have been doing: which is PvPing, except that now they're going to do it specifically with the broken mechanic to highlight how broken it is.

By specifically targeting easy-to-kill players.

As always, when FDev pushes the fix, the carnage will stop.

So, that's not a threat then?

 

[Kethriss]

No, I am not. Stop lying.


Pretty much did.


By specifically targeting easy-to-kill players.


So, that's not a threat then?

Here it is again because you seem to have missed it the first time.

Indeed no, it's just one group of players threatening to take punitive action against another group of players until the game developers submit to their demands.

It's not a threat. It's just a fact: "we'll stop using the broken mechanic to demonstrate how it's broken when it's not broken anymore".

And who cares if it's easy-to-kill players? Pretty much everybody is easy to kill with this new mechanic: that's the entire point.

If you don't want PvP then stay out of Open. It's that simple.

 

[GreyAreaUK]

Reported the original comment yesterday. No action as far as I can tell.

Nor should there be. Ozric's post was 100% accurate, and managed to be so without resorting to passive aggressive self-victimisation.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

You have to admit - Before a fully engineered and decent pilot could usually escape a single ganker. A wing notsomuch. Most PP merit haulers caught would just book it and wake out before their shields went down.

Now that escape became a lot more difficult.

I suppose it very much depends on the player and their ship. Yeah, i'm pretty sure things have got harder for targets, but considering their usual targets were dead meat anyway, its not like it makes much difference.

That is why i said in (i think) my first post in this thread, i'm more interested in hearing about its effect on competitive PvP. Gankers will gank, and this thead is just SDC telling the world how they can kill easy targets. Not exactly something worth boasting about.

Let's instead hear about the competitive fights, between competent pilots, and their experiences with the new meta.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

That is why i said in (i think) my first post in this thread, i'm more interested in hearing about its effect on competitive PvP. Gankers will gank, and this thead is just SDC telling the world how they can kill easy targets. Not exactly something worth boasting about.

Exactly.

Newsflash, bears who have been pooing in woods, will now be pooing in woods. This time though, they point to their poo exclaiming, "look, poo!"

 

[Agony_Aunt]

No, there isn't. People in an Open PvP environment are killing other people in an Open PvP environment and they're using a broken mechanic to demonstrate how it's broken so that it gets fixed.

A few videos would do that. They could even organize fights between themselves to demonstrate it. Instead they are going after random people for the lulz.

Let's be honest here, they are using it to full effect because they enjoy it and will keep using it until its fixed, except perhaps in competitive, as like with the heat meta, there was as i understand it a gentleman's agreement about not using it. Shame they can come to such an agreement against competent players, but go all out against anyone else.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

The PvP groups are doing the only thing that actually works to get frontier to fix a broken mechanic to make sure that the game as a whole remains more balanced.

Post a long thread about it?

Because shooting some players has absolutely no effect, and never had.

 

[Kethriss]

Exactly.

Newsflash, bears who have been pooing in woods, will now be pooing in woods. This time though, they point to their poo exclaiming, "look, poo!"

*bears who normally poo in woods, but who's food has been laced with laxatives, are now pooing on people's lawns so the people who added the laxatives stop doing that

 

[Kethriss]

A few videos would do that. They could even organize fights between themselves to demonstrate it. Instead they are going after random people for the lulz.

Let's be honest here, they are using it to full effect because they enjoy it and will keep using it until its fixed, except perhaps in competitive, as like with the heat meta, there was as i understand it a gentleman's agreement about not using it. Shame they can come to such an agreement against competent players, but go all out against anyone else.

Who cares if they enjoy it?

it's Open Play.

If people don't want to get ganked they have 2 other mode options.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Then why are you complaining? The PvP groups are doing the only thing that actually works to get frontier to fix a broken mechanic to make sure that the game as a whole remains more balanced.

When does the campaign start to remove engineering, SCBs, HRPs, MRPs, etc start then?

Because all of those things significantly upset balance, especially for people without Horizons.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

*bears who normally poo in woods, but who's food has been laced with laxatives, are now pooing on people's lawns so the people who added the laxatives stop doing that

Because before they stayed out of other people's lawn?

 

[Morbad]

Exactly.

Newsflash, bears who have been pooing in woods, will now be pooing in woods. This time though, they point to their poo exclaiming, "look, poo!"

If a turd falls with no one around to smell it, did it really stink?

 

[GreyAreaUK]

*bears who normally poo in woods, but who's food has been laced with laxatives, are now pooing on people's lawns so the people who added the laxatives stop doing that

As Agony says, a far better approach would be to video competitive PvP matches using just this mechanic. And some others could show the effect it has on a PvP ship versus a non-PvP ship that's still being flown by a PvP pilot. Maybe Rinzzla (or however you spell it) could re-do his Guide To Trading and show how it's been affected by this.
You know, document the effect and the changes it's brought.

But all that would be reasonable.