Space Force Presents: Operation Drag Queen

[Agony_Aunt]

If people don't want to get ganked they have 2 other mode options.

They certainly do. The problem is, many of those who are doing this, also campaign for things like open only and the removal of the other two modes or restriction of features in those modes.

Its a shame that has to be the attitude though. Don't want to get ganked, don't play in open. People having to avoid certain modes due to a small number of players who delight in causing negativity.

It really is a compelling case for FD implementing an PvE Open mode. Let the gankers rot in their own stink and then watch them complain when the only targets left are few, far between, and actually competent and can kill them right back.

 

[Kethriss]

As Agony says, a far better approach would be to video competitive PvP matches using just this mechanic. And maybe Rinzzla (or however you spell it) could re-do his Guide To Trading and show how it's been affected by this. You know, document the effect and the changes it's brought.

But all that would be reasonable.

Except that's been done before. And some videos and lengthy forum posts about issues never got anything changed. It didn't work for uncapped heat beams, which is why they resorted to murder sprees.

As pretty much the entire community knows, frontier doesn't listen to any but a very select few, and even then they're content doing whatever they want.

The only way to get actual change to happen is for the community at large to get in to an uproar about something, and how do you do that?

By blowing up their precious internet spaceships, as usual.

 

[GreyAreaUK]

By blowing up their precious internet spaceships, as usual.

Or 'Just another day in the game' as everyone else calls it.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

The only way to get actual change to happen is for the community at large to get in to an uproar about something, and how do you do that?

By blowing up their precious internet spaceships, as usual.

They tried that with SpicyBois. Result: zero uproar by the ones they shot down. Not a single thread or post.

The only way to get change to happen is create a forum uproar, which is much more visible than encounters in game could ever be. Every post in this thread will do more for their cause then any shot fired. (edit: If by the way this is the idea of creating this thread, well done fellers)

So yeah, you're welcome

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Except that's been done before. And some videos and lengthy forum posts about issues never got anything changed. It didn't work for uncapped heat beams, which is why they resorted to murder sprees.

As pretty much the entire community knows, frontier doesn't listen to any but a very select few, and even then they're content doing whatever they want.

The only way to get actual change to happen is for the community at large to get in to an uproar about something, and how do you do that?

By blowing up their precious internet spaceships, as usual.

But nothing has changed, they were doing it before. The rest of it is just white noise.

 

[Kethriss]

They certainly do. The problem is, many of those who are doing this, also campaign for things like open only and the removal of the other two modes or restriction of features in those modes.

Its a shame that has to be the attitude though. Don't want to get ganked, don't play in open. People having to avoid certain modes due to a small number of players who delight in causing negativity.

It really is a compelling case for FD implementing an PvE Open mode. Let the gankers rot in their own stink and then watch them complain when the only targets left are few, far between, and actually competent and can kill them right back.

Nobody but you people are causing negativity. Gankers aren't the ones sending Harry Potter death threats. Gankers aren't the ones coming on to SDC streams to call people "worse than ISIS", gankers aren't the ones trying to compare people to rapists, gankers aren't the ones who sit in threads for hours and hours posting rants about how PvPers are potential school shooters suffering from every mental disability under the sun.

That's the "peaceful" PvEers who come in to the only Open PvP mode, get killed by people just playing the game and enjoying themselves, and decided to immediately resort to aggressive out-of-game harassment.

If losing your internet spaceship in a game where you can lose your internet spaceship causes you so much grief that you have to make posts like you just did, you need to not be playing a game where you can lose your internet spaceship, my dude.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

A few videos would do that. They could even organize fights between themselves to demonstrate it. Instead they are going after random people for the lulz.

Let's be honest here, they are using it to full effect because they enjoy it and will keep using it until its fixed, except perhaps in competitive, as like with the heat meta, there was as i understand it a gentleman's agreement about not using it. Shame they can come to such an agreement against competent players, but go all out against anyone else.

Please take into consideration that the PVP we've had the past few years, versus the PVP we are supposed to be having are two different things.

The ganking thats happening here and the over all change to drag is bad by itself. Because of the other modules that were not tuned to go along with this drastic change.

The PVP we have now is because people enjoy staying and fighting. They arent really fighting over an objective.

This change ultimately helps objective based gameplay. But its too strong without other changes to complement it.

 

[GreyAreaUK]

Nobody but you people are causing negativity. Gankers aren't the ones sending Harry Potter death threats. Gankers aren't the ones coming on to SDC streams to call people "worse than ISIS", gankers aren't the ones trying to compare people to rapists, gankers aren't the ones who sit in threads for hours and hours posting rants about how PvPers are potential school shooters suffering from every mental disability under the sun.

Oh Christ, here we go again...

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Nobody but you people are causing negativity. Gankers aren't the ones sending Harry Potter death threats. Gankers aren't the ones coming on to SDC streams to call people "worse than ISIS", gankers aren't the ones trying to compare people to rapists, gankers aren't the ones who sit in threads for hours and hours posting rants about how PvPers are potential school shooters suffering from every mental disability under the sun.

That's the "peaceful" PvEers who come in to the only Open PvP mode, get killed by people just playing the game and enjoying themselves, and decided to immediately resort to aggressive out-of-game harassment.

If losing your internet spaceship in a game where you can lose your internet spaceship causes you so much grief that you have to make posts like you just did, you need to not be playing a game where you can lose your internet spaceship, my dude.

You people? I never threatened anyone.

 

[Vardaugas]

"Cancer protests the use of chemo therapy. Claims to have a right to exist."
More news at eleven.

 

[Deleted member 182079]

Got pulled over in SD (particularly busy with FdLs to no one's surprise) by one of the posters here last night.

No drag action whatsoever though, were the weapons bugged?

 

[CMDR DAVID187]

Its not something i personally would brag about, or even really want to admit to doing. Its not like some sort of achievement killing easy targets. Its all a bit pitiful. For all their cries about combat loggers cheating, the challenge they get is like they are running cheats in a single player game and laughing about how easy everything is.
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The only thing you can brag about is how many times you post on this forum.

Even I've killed you and that's not good.

Maybe if practiced half as much as you post, you will not get killed by the likes of me.

 

[Kethriss]

"Cancer protests the use of chemo therapy. Claims to have a right to exist."
More news at eleven.

How is a mechanic that makes ganking people EASIER and also imbalances organized PvP a cure for ganking people? Are you saying you DON'T want PvPers to spend most of their time organizing PvP events and ganking eachother?

Or are you one of those people that thinks PvP in general shouldn't exist because you think that because you don't enjoy something, nobody should be allowed to?

 

[JonLuis69]

Will the dragsters "sorry, just can't take the name seriously" stop ganking if the issue is rolled back?
I ask because it seems stupid to say "Fdev, we are ganking all stoopids 'til you fix this and then...erm...we will probably carry on sooo...".
Who was the brainiac in charge of that committee?

 

[Yaffle]

Again everyone, please calm down.

Please stop the scatological comments too.

 

[Kethriss]

Will the dragsters "sorry, just can't take the name seriously" stop ganking if the issue is rolled back?
I ask because it seems stupid to say "Fdev, we are ganking all stoopids 'til you fix this and then...erm...we will probably carry on sooo...".
Who was the brainiac in charge of that committee?

Despite what the carebear brigade thinks, the overwhelming majority of PvPers aren't gankers. The biggest PvP groups in the game spend most of their time going after eachother or organizing PvP events. The only exceptions to this is when a major event is going on (see Distant Worlds/Salome/etc) and the top few want to continue their reputations as being the Galaxy's super villains.

So yes, if the change is rolled back, the vast majority of people currently engaging in the massacres will indeed go back to PvPing among themselves.

Most random "ganks" that happen are by unaffiliated people who never post anywhere, the occasional anti-PvP player who gets the urge to try it themselves without telling anybody because they feel guilty, people who are just gasp playing the game they paid for in the way they want to, and a small handful of people who set out to be as notorious as possible.

 

[Der Zeitgeist]

A very simple, uselessly subjective, rule.
A lot of things annoy me, but you'd have great difficulty guessing exactly what they are. Telling me to apply this asinine rule, like I'm supposed to know who is going to get bent out of shape over what, is definitely on the list though.
Only a handful of things waste my time in game, but seeing my CMDR attacked by another CMDR is essentially never one of them.

I'm perfectly aware that a small subset of players has some trouble understanding what "annoying other players" means. We wouldn't even have these kinds of discussions otherwise.

A good rule of thumb is seeing if you end up on several block lists independently from each other. This and some work on self-awareness might lead you to a better understanding why people see you as griefers and block you.

 

[Der Zeitgeist]

Griefing is directed, out-of-game harassment targeting the human being behind the screen.

Mass murderhoboing is valid, natural gameplay as allowed by the rules of the game.

Of course, it's allowed by the rules of the game. No one questions this. It's just that the overwhelming majority of players has no interest in this gameplay and considers it "ganking" or, in certain cases, "griefing".

There is a wide consensus among the playerbase what is seen as accepted gameplay and what is seen as annoying gameplay that will label you as a griefer. It's not our problem if a small subset of players aren't able to understand that.

It's also not a big problem, as the game has the means to remove these kinds of players from our experience effectively enough.

And blocking, as proven time and time again by many people, doesn't actually stop you from instancing with that person, and because Frontier works in spaghetti code, in most cases if somebody instances you in with somebody you have blocked, they'll be invisible to you, and you'll still take damage from them.

Blocking works perfectly fine.

Stay in Private or Solo, bucko.

I'll use the game modes as I wish, thank you very much.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Nobody but you people are causing negativity.

Now that is the funniest thing i've read in a while here.

As for people sending HP death threats, those people are broken people. Please don't associate me with them. There are some very strange people on the internet, PvPers, PvEers, or whatever. Let's not go grouping such people with the majority of people.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

You people? I never threatened anyone.

Quiet, he needs to believe that we are all sending death threats so he can take the moral high ground.