Good for you, enjoy as much as you can, it's a good game that provides many things for many people,
you can't please all of the people all of the time, but you shouldn't expect people to just 'shut up & take it' just because you're happy!
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you can't please all of the people all of the time, but you shouldn't expect people to just 'shut up & take it' just because you're happy!
Yes, absolutely people wanted exploration to be more than what it was. Some wanted different mechanics (many were proposed), and others wanted more to be found.
We got new mechanics, some like them, some don't. The problem, and why this goes on, is that FD intentionally or otherwise, removed the previous mechanics. Arguably there was no reason to do this. Certainly had they not, the only 'crying' would likely be that they hadn't added enough things to be found.
All the things that you didn't complain about were simply the way the game was from the get go. FD didn't retroactively insist that you needed a permit for Sol, nor that you needed rank to get access to a ship.
If it frustrates you that people for whom the game has been diminished are complaining on the games forum, then it's probably best just to ignore the threads. Complaining about them complaining seems odd.
It was the beginning of that post that I was referring to. I just couldn't be bothered to highlight it. Thought it was obvious. It is not true, it is unpleasant and it is pathetic. If people don't want to be called pathetic, then they shouldn't act it.
I'm sure some of my posts are abrasive at times, but it's generally in line with what I am subjected to myself. Sometimes it's exasperation, from people giving subjective views as objective, stuff like that. It's just frustration most of the time and I don't mean anything by it.
I have said again and again that I sympathise, hence the reason why I am open to a compromise that I would be okay with, it's a shame others are not so thoughtful on both sides of the argument.
In brief, unlike FD's approach to mining their approach to exploration took away options. All this thread is proposing is said options being re-introduced in at least part. FD should never have completely replaced the old method of exploration - they should have just looked at ways of enhancing exploration. The FSS mechanics still need a lot of work to get them working well but no-one is (or very few are) proposing the FSS mechanics be completely removed.
The mistake FD made was they listened too much to the wrong people IMO.
The arrival of the FSS is not a problem for (most), the problem was the unnecesary removal of the ADS. If you give people choices, they are much less likely to complain.
It does not help that the QOL value of the 3.3 explorations mechanics is poor and the general way they (FD) reworked things into exploration/analysis and combat modes makes things somewhat more awkward and in some cases irritating (e.g. I know shared mapped module X is disabled in mode Y - I do not need to be told about it on every button/key press).
There are MANY things FD did wrong with the revisions to exploration mechanics, the complete removal of the ADS just added insult to injury.
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Gameplay always detracts from time, but if the gameplay is so shallow and simple like the FSS, I rather have no such gameplay and save time for other engaging pieces of gameplay.
Except I haven't.
Of course you have. What do you think you have been forum fighting for over the last 4 ish months? I have actually watched this and occasionally wondered who is actually behind that keyboard. What kind of person would put so much effort into basicly being nasty on a forum. I wonder if your endless posting is in some way tipping the balance so fdev wont put the thing back, i mean that its why you do it isnt it? Why have the mods not put a stop to it by now? It all paints a very sorry picture, of fdev as much as anything else.
What is it that you are getting out of keeping on telling people you cant accept them having the old ADS back with a side order of adapt or leave? Like you not accepting it means a hoots worth of difference, unless you actually do have some say with Fdev? All its done is create a really nasty atmosphere and in the nicest possible way make you look a bit of a nasty person. What fdev have done is a bit bait and switch really, they have treated their customers like crap and made me personally have a completely low opinion of them, why would you want to egg that on? Cause you do, the entire thing, fdev to, is a massive clusterf of bad feeling.
Im genuinely curious, with no insult or attack intended. Will be AFK for an hour so i wont see your reply, if any, before then.
What is it that you are getting out of keeping on telling people you cant accept them having the old ADS back with a side order of adapt or leave? Like you not accepting it means a hoots worth of difference, unless you actually do have some say with Fdev? All its done is create a really nasty atmosphere and in the nicest possible way make you look a bit of a nasty person. What fdev have done is a bit bait and switch really, they have treated their customers like crap and made me personally have a completely low opinion of them, why would you want to egg that on? Cause you do, the entire thing, fdev to, is a massive clusterf of bad feeling.
Im genuinely curious, with no insult or attack intended. Will be AFK for an hour so i wont see your reply, if any, before then.
I give as good as I get. I have not been nasty to anyone that hasn't been nasty to me.
You are lying. You have history of this. I have said it probably a hundred times that I would be fine with mutually exclusive old style ADS or a modified ADS that works better with the FSS, but can still be used without.
What part of that do you not understand. You are the one being small minded and nasty. Done lie, it makes you look bad.
The only thing I have said that not having the ADS would be my personal preference, but I understand and sympathise with people which is why I am open to the above. But I have no sympathy for you due to the constant lies and attacks on people which never seem to stop. Unpleasant is an understatement. But if I said what I really thought I would likely be banned.
But he point of all this was not for you to give or get anything. All these threads and posts were and are a plea to fdev to let us have the old exploration back. So that leads back to my point, do you believe that your constant engagement with this is preventing fdev from listening to the rest of us? Something surely is.
The effect all this has had on me personally, the endless forum battle whist being pointedly ignored by fdev. I feel like they are terrible people. Any desire to even play the game has ebbed away, i mean if they gave the thing back and i was able to go out exploring for pictures again, who would i show them to? This forum? Give Fdev advertising shots? I dont think so. Its like this issue has really exposed the rotten side of the company. This issue should have been put to bed months back and yet its been allowed to drag on, doesnt seem likley thats accidental to me. They have basicly bait and switched on everybody that doesnt enjoy the FSS. And i will admit i have a real sense of glee that the thing is breaking down now, i think thats just great. Long may it last, altho i do have sympathy for the people whos gaming time is being ruined by it, which is more than anybody has shown towards those of us who have also had our game time ruined by the FSS.
Nope. What I say is pretty much irrelavent just as much as any other forumite. It's Fdevs game and they decide what they think it should be like. Whether we agree or disagree with their decision is irrelavent. Personally the FSS is not what I would have liked, but it is what I have got. I make the best of it and have found a way to enjoy the experience. It's wasnt that hard either.
I know that I am not the centre of the universe and that the world does not revolve around me. I suggest others should start to feel the same otherwise they will have continuous disappointment in their lives.
I don't think FDev have ever replied to any of my suggestions. It's not the end of the world.
Really? Well its a shame you didnt get on their case about it. Present company excluded, the endless posting in opposition to getting the old ADS back and the likes of adapt or leave (omg somebody even told that to a LEP holder the other day) is so amazingly toxic. Its like its now gone beyond the FSS issue itself and into a weird fascination with the injustice of it all. The way its been handled, this simply shouldnt have happened.
Its OK for people to have different opinions on stuff.
The only reason why I tell people to adapt is because I don't think FDev will change the situation. That is not being toxic. Just good friendly advice which you can take or leave.
As to getting on their case, why should I. I posted my suggestion in the suggestions page, they didn't take it up. They did something else. That's life, I am not going to get all upset about it. That's just a waste of my time.
As to how they have handled it, I see no issues. Its no different to most other games. It's only a computer game at th end of the day.
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They anticipated a handful of people having a meltdown and decided to do it anyway, they said so in one of the streams IIRC. Since its such a popular upgrade and some people always lose it anyway no matter what happens it doesn't really matter.