Upgrade =! replacement.
Allow use of pre 3.3 Advanced Discovery Scanner
- Thread starter ThatSmileyGuy
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I beg your pardon? If I upgrade my Windows 10 OS, I no longer have access to the old version. That version has been replaced by the new upgraded version. So, sorry, but upgrade does[/] equal replacement.
The detail scanner does not replace the general scanner. As with the old method, it adds functionality to the FSS. You are comparing apples and oranges. I was speaking about there being 2 scanners of the same type. You want the FSS and the ADS? They both do the same thing. The FSS is a mandatory upgrade to the ADS. Try running 2 versions of an OS side by side without a boot loader. You won't like the results. Basically to make it realistic, you'd have to choose which scanner to use for your session: the standard ADS or the FSS. You want to change, you'd have to logout and then log back in to the system using the other configuration if you wanted to change. That's why I say over engineering isn't good. And doing this, making a boot loader for each session login, strikes me as over engineering.
Nope, an upgrade can an addition, for example, I can upgrade a computer by adding RAM. If upgrade = replacement, then upgrade =! no-replacement yet the latter is false.
I just spent the evening with a mate playing with one of my old gaming PCs. It dual boots Win98SE and Windows 2000 (It's a Pentium 3 866 with a Ti4200 GPU). I can still play those old games on an old OS on old hardware. I cannot still use the ADS. I would like to be able to continue to use it.
No, they really don't.
They both start from the same point, when you enter a system they both enable(d) you to get a low level view of what is in that system. Number of bodies, types of bodies. (Well, the FSS actually scans all the stars and any nearby bodies but we'll let that go.) And that's all the ADS does.
After that, the FSS enables you to scan the bodies in the system. Very quickly if you so choose.
The difference between them, up to the point where they are doing the same thing is simply how they present that system information. One gives markers on a line and a body count, one gives a pictoral map.
What does it matter which way you get that information, and why should getting it as a picture rather than as markers on a line preclude the use of the FSS in any subsequent scanning? I'm genuinely interested, because nobody seems able or willing to answer that, and when I suggest it's because people think that reading the FSS spectrum is somehow more challenging than reading the system map and thus rewards the user with the ability to scan quickly and from a distance I am shouted down. Yet if the two are just as easy as one another, why should only one allow the use of the FSS to scan?
The reward for being able to scan quickly and from a distance (if the player wants to, and there are those who don't), is or should be the ability to use the FSS to locate the bodies, not how those bodies are initially presented.
There's no question that FD want players to use the FSS, hence why they put it in every ship, and there are good reasons why they want that. They know that many players loathe long SC journeys, and probably more importantly they want to be able to put things on planets that players have a chance of finding. Let it stand on its own strengths, there was and is no need to force players to use it, and having choices is good for the game.
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This has been explained multiple times already... what is being talked about is not strictly speaking the ADS as-was but an optional spiritual replacement for it in the form of an upgrade that merely populates the topological map for the player so they can use the near body scanning/discovery method if they so choose (just because the map is populated by the honk does not mean discovery rights are granted to the player - a near body or FSS scan would be required for that).
The only reason the ADS is essentially being referred to so explicitly is really in order to help characterise the end-result.
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I can't wait to upgrade to Windows Beyond. Microsoft are introducing a mini-game you must play to view your desktop icons.
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Thank you. Thats all thats required.
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You goalposted there...
Yeah, then maybe Traveller Explorers can actually get somewhere to explore... again
They still can.
They already did. Since the introduction of the FSS and the removal of the ADS that's the exploration that is left to me. The FSS discourages me from investigating systems. Because I sure as heck aren't going to play the FSS minigame every system.
Reintroducing the ADS will give me back my damn honk-check map-jump-honk-check map-jump-honk-check map-ju... hang on ... that looks interesting-fly-fly-fly-land-drive-drive-drive-snap-snap-drive-take off-fly-fly-jump ... As opposed to honk-blue ball game-jump-honk-blue ball game-jump-honk-blue ..... ugh, screw this blue ball game ....just check EM spectrum-jump-honk-check EMS-jump-honk-check EMS ... oh look an ELW-scan from star-jump-honk-check EMS-quit game-uninstall
Yes, they can max, it just takes a lot longer than it did because of the sheer boredom of constantly coming to a stop to honk is a silly mini game, reselecting 'Combat mode' so I can steer my ship and pressing accelerate again, so much so that I for one have to keep taking a brake from the monotony.
Still it seems to please you, otherwise you wouldn't bite everytime anybody said anything about the ADS/FSS that could possibly be corrected...
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This is what really frustrates me, I don't see the difference between what the op is describing and using this instead;-
Specifically, without panning around, you can't tell whether the body is orbiting the main star or another body, and what order the bodies are in the orbital plane.
You can get it easy enough when you start doing the stupid panning game, but that completely defeats the purpose of the spectrum as a decision making utility...
Unless all you care about is the credit rewards and are cherry picking.
Happy to be wrong and eagerly hoping for instruction on how get that information from the specrtrum.
I can bore you for hours with holiday pictures though.
Many, many, holiday pictures.
Yeah, But I don't care about the exact position. For me, it's a case of look at the marks on the Scanner line and if there's a planet that I'm interested in then scan it, otherwise move on. The upshot is that I am no longer just Honk, Scoop and jump anymore. I end up scanning the whole system anyway and it's the main reason I just got Exploration Elite over the weekend.