Not to the post I was replying to.
Allow use of pre 3.3 Advanced Discovery Scanner
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Which has been stated from the very beginning that noone is fighting the FSS. It should remain as it is. It's a good mechanic. We would like to see more options of carrying out exploration rather than change a mechanic that is currently in place and regarded fun by many. More variety is the key.
To You it wasn't. It's a matter of personal prefference.
Please re-read the thread for a clearer picture of what people are missing.
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Max Factor
I'm sorry, i must call You out on this. I admit i am currently lost but what are You arguing so vigorously about?
Max Factor
I'm sorry, i must call You out on this. I admit i am currently lost but what are You arguing so vigorously about?
While there is a time requirement for uncovering the system map, that, at least for me isn't really the issue although I do accept that looking for those unusual systems will take people more time. Using the FSS is very fast, and since once you've done it you've not only uncovered the map but actually explored (potentially tagged) a system, you've actually gone much further than the ADS honk ever went. And frankly, since we're playing a game, time is all wasted, it's just trivial fun. But... I suspect players want to feel like they are playing in a targeted or process driven way.
For me, the issue is more that the player is expected to do something that may very well not move them towards their goal, thus it's not just time, it's time poorly spent. As I've said before, remove the energy spectrum readout and I really don't think players would have been even remotely happy with the FSS.
"What? You want me to scan a system just to see whether there's something there I want to scan? No way!!" Yet that is sadly what FD are asking players who are looking for stellar forge anomalies and the like to do.
There are other examples that can be given that show that FD understand that players aren't happy with wait and see gameplay. USS's initially were not identified at all, you had to drop into them to see what they were. Then they got an identifier once targetd and resolved. Then mission USS got their very own ID and one which the ship notified you of. Now you can use the nav beacon (or the FSS) to find out what they are before you bother to fly to them.
The implementation of the FSS and loss of the system map overview is regressive for any explorer who is choosing to look for things it doesn't identify. Now they must scan something in order to see if they want to scan it, poor design, sorry, and I am sure not what FD intend as for those looking for what the FSS does identify exactly the opposite is true.
On the other subject, I have for most of my exploration time in ED been a scan it all or nothing, and no, we cannot do that now. Initially disappointing, I'm now a bit meh about it since it's out of my control.
What abscence? I told you, there are example of modules that make a small sector of the playerbase unhappy and nothing terrible happens, that's the fact.
Ok, it was relevant to your reply, not the conversation as a whole.
Same here.
1º I said that if the number of players who return to ED outnumber the players who leave because of the re-introduction of the ADS, that would be a consideranly objective good (because FD would win more money).
2º Max said that wasn't objective and that I had no facts to back it up.
3º I told him that similar things have happened before and FD didn't regret it.
4º He kept claiming I had no facts and that 1º wasn't objective.
The rest is history...
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The ability to register a body so that it appears on the System Map and Nav Panel, without simultaneously performing a level 3 scan on that body, is impossible with the FSS. It was possible with the ADS.
So, there IS functionality that the ADS provides which the FSS fails to give you.
I hope you appreciate that we are being patient with you. Just read the thread please. These things do not need to be explained to every contributor individually, you are coming into a well established topic. The proposal is one with no downside to any player, the only objections are apathy and schadenfreude.
Noone said we want "one click of a button" to discover everything. Only the map layout. No credits for it.
Furthermore FSS gives more cr/h than ADS did.
You fail to understand that for some it was a legitimate gameplay using their knowledge of system map to make a decision whether to stick to the system or leave it for someone else to tag / discover. FSS sure does have all functionalities, i give You that. However the one many are missing is hidden behind a greater time investment. Which everyone has to undergo to see if the system is even remotely worth seeing further which we all could agree most of the systems aren't. The issue is not with earning credits but with investing enormous amounts of time into something that is eventually disappointing.
So no, FSS is not rendered completely worthless. Those who are cherry-pickers in style have it easier with FSS. Those who seek credits have it easier with FSS yet again. Those who want to find extraordinary systems in terms of layout / bodies' placement are at disadvantage. Not to mention decision making for people who played 100% or none at all has been shut down or made significantly harder.
So there lies the problem.
We don't want the system map to determine if there are ELWs or HMCs or WWs.
System map to us is at its core a tool used to determine if there any interesting body configurations.
If You preffer cherry picking so be it. You'd lose nothing and be at advantage the FSS gives in terms of finding ELWs and WWs. You would lose nothing to those who stuck with ADS.
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Any body that you pass within 20 Ls of is automatically scanned (and tagged) by the FSS.
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And many other posts in this thread where we clearly stated we don't want bodies to be "discovered". Only placed on the system map. Like it used to happen pre 3.3 update. If not the forums then have a read at Wiki on how it used to work back then. You got nothing for honking outside of having the system map revealed.
Regarding point one it appears to be logical explanataion, however it's still bad that someone has to leave. Either way we won't know for sure if nothing happens.
I only somewhat agree with that since if profits outnumber losses it usually is considered a profit after all.
Regarding point 3 and 4 i can't tell much besides that maybe giving examples of these situations could help ease the situation a bit.
The advanced docking computer is an example of a module that is not liked by a few here and there though I never saw any "I'm leaving" or "The game is done for" posts, in other words, it was a minor annoyance.
FTR I already gave this example.
Happily, you're not the gatekeeper of what functionality is implemented, so there's absolutely no reason to convince you of anything.
The 'Why' has been explained, but different people (since different people have different 'whys').
This is the Suggestions Forum. This is where we suggest different ways in which we could 'play the game'.
This is just laughable.
Aside from loading the nav computer with distance and direction vectors, basic body information, a graphical representation of each body and an indication of whether a body had been previously discovered, filling out the system map was clearly not the "only" thing the xDS did.
What exactly do you want back - the xDS functionality as it was pre 3.3 or your description of only placing bodies on the system map? Because those are two different things.