An essay to FDev:
- Thread starter CMDR Daniel 'Dan' Chou
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Needs to buy a PC... LOL... or a monitor that adjusts for Color-Blindness. Those have been around for years now.
The HUD color talk trivializes the problem. It goes beyond simple adjustments to the HUD Colors. You'd need a proper filter like the ones in other games, or an assistive mode such as that provided by third party software or "smart" monitors. Most of the HUD outrage is about personal preference, not concern for the Color-blind. I'd go as far as to say that some people are exploiting the situation just to get what they want.
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The Replicated Man
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If the shoe fits. Wear it.
You're looking in the wrong place. Look on the cheat forums (link not provided for obvious reasons).
You can PM it, but having a few cases where the rules are actually enforced doesn't make the application consistent.
Which is precisely why, as I've repeatedly stated, player feedback should be reviewed, but players should not be directly involved in the design process. It's also why internal process needs to be improved, including hiring professional play testers as full time players.
This is where stake enters into it. Even if some players considered to be experts are consulted and they have the best intentions for improving the game, if things go wrong, or if their ideas and comments aren't all that great, or if they can't agree on some significant design aspects, or if they lose interest in the game or design process, or decide to go travelling for a few months and don't have time to be involved, or if they don't really have the required level of expertise despite their reputation, they lose little to nothing, as they have no material stake in the project. Their jobs and livelihood are not on the line, nor is their employability. Of course it's Frontier's ultimate responsibility to make the best choices for the game, but that again leads back to taking feedback seriously, but not having players as part of the design committee.
Then of course, it's more than likely that each consulted player expert is going to have a bias for their own wishlist of features and mechanics that they'll push, whereas Frontier have to consider the game overall.
Not sure what you mean here. Do you mean while they're hiring game designers and developers? Player expertise is not usually expected in someone applying for such a role. But if you want to hire or consult someone who has such expertise, then it would be beneficial to have a reliable metric. Otherwise, as mentioned, hiring professional play testers to become experts in the game by playing it full time, and then leveraging their reports and suggestions for design improvements would be a more controlled and consistently reliable process, but would not preclude paying attention to feedback from the player base.
I don't know what happens with them. What's supposed to happen? In what context and for what purpose? What's at stake? What degree of reliability of their expertise is acceptable in the circumstances?
If the duck quacks, fix the EBL.
I once gave an elephant to my friend to keep in his room. He thanked me genuinely. I said don't mention it.
badoom tishOn a semi-related note, what about this for the Frontier store?
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The devil is in the details, but I definetly agree on the bolded part.
Availability and incentives are a very real issues but honestly, it's not hard to see who actually knows their **** when talking about a certain topic in ED and more often than not, the good players know more about X feature than FD themselves, maybe that can be considered as a benchmark to "test expertise".
I already gave you a solid test of expertise for the case of PvP via a contest.
1º Well, you have people who are experts but have had no real test for their expertise but rather their contributions and work over time spoke for themselves.
2º I'm talking in a general context and this includes ED, if there are plenty of people who are called and treated as experts in lets say, science, why can't the same be done for something much more trivial such as a game?
3º Being an "expert" has no inmediate consecuences, it's not a job, it's not a responsability.
4º That is completely dependent on what you are talking about, different jobs demand different levels of precision and failure rate..
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I'm sorry but I stopped reading at HUD colors being the "elephant in the room". No, no, no they are not. Surely this is a farce right? Are you a writer for the Onion? Because if you are, well played. Tired of threads like this, honestly you people should go back to playing COD, or whatever it is that you do when you're not here complaining.
I'm sure there's a way to put together a metric based on various factors, from contribution, to reputation, to demonstrated knowledge, and rank and achievements in the game, among others. But if Frontier don't have any real experts among their ranks, they may not be the best judges on who actually is an expert.
I do think though that a person who both plays and develops the game is going to have a certain level of expertise beyond that of one who only plays or only develops, so perhaps the developers should be encouraged to play more? I don't actually know how regularly they play, so I can't judge. There might be some Frontier developers who do play the game quite a bit, but are just poor at design, balance, and thinking mechanics through. Again, that's where process helps.
Let's just agree to what we can, which is that Frontier should listen to those veteran players who can demonstrate and articulate some expertise in a given aspect of the game. We can agree to disagree regarding the role those experts are given in the design process. I think a qualitative analysis of their feedback would be beneficial and sufficient if the appropriate learnings are derived, and your opinion is that they should be more directly involved in design decisions (though I don't think you've ever said so outright, so apologies if I'm assuming incorrectly).
It's a deal then.
PM'd. We have no idea how consistent it is. It might be quite consistent with that person already having gone through the initial slap on the wrist stage and still continued which led to the perma bans.
In case it hasn't been mentioned by now: They never said it would be "impossible" to change HUD colours. They said it's pretty hard to do and would require a lot of work because colour channels are used for so many HUD elements across the games, which includes the station menu and thereby also the pictures, the codex and so on.
That simple hack we use on PC is not "exactly how we've been requesting" because the connected colour channels mess up the things I mentioned above. To give us this as an official feature would be just unprofessional. You are stretching and twisting words here to win likes and nods from the crowd. If not, you haven't been listening and talk about something you're not well informed about.
That said, I rather think the whole HUD situation was more like an oversight that started when the HUD was first created back then, and I would happily wait a few months to see a rework that is fully customizable, including colours.
I actually don't think Fdev is lazy, or arrogant or any of the things you suggested. They don't communicate much with the community anymore, at least not in the way they did in the past, but that might be a reaction to the growing community and the actual reactions of communicating in the past. Whatever it is, I also think this can be done in a better way, leaving things less open for interpretation and staying closer to the community.
Neither was I.
Im not even sure you're comment is relevant or even makes sense.
And I wasnt even talking to you.
Hardly much measurement here anyway, Im a self confessed explorer thats never made more than 200 million credits in about 4 years of playing. Maybe 300 million.
So where you figured I was I was somehow measuring my replicating tool I have no idea.
I thought i was just taking the waste water out of some new ED player who obviously knows way more than the rest of us about the game because hes beat the game to death in his (or her) short time here
Rather that than beating his own replicating tool I suppose.
Does anyone have a source that they aren't shadow banned?
Just checked the link, there is no source claiming that shadow bans aren't happening.
Frontier never said it's impossible, check your facts.
Judging by this old post from MB, I'd say that they were. But again, it's just my guess. I can't find any recent complaints from hackers that they were shadow banned.
I guess that's because the last popular hack stopped working two years ago (where people claimed to have lost complete access to their accounts and other have been shadow banned) when Frontier added tools to detect that hack. The same will probably happen to the current one.
The elephant in the room is probably that there is no elephant.
Apparently it took the hackers two years to beat Frontiers cheat detection mechanism. Frontier is probably currently busy improving it like they did last time. The same happens with basically any other online game.