I was right, you were wrong

[WR3ND]

Planet Coaster, Jurassic World Evolution, and Planet Zoo

With proper ship interiors, and space legs, our ships would serve quite well as our mobile bases. Want a base on a world, just land there. For some strange reason some people seem to want them weighed down and immobile though. Seems a little weird to me, considering we play as "spacers" and Commanders in the Pilots Federation, but oh well.

Anyway, main reason I'm responding to your post is that I've been mentioning Planet Rail for some time and hoping Frontier will make a train sim game.

I picked up the dino game too, but not the others.

 

[amigacooke]

hoping Frontier will make a train sim game.

And get ripped apart by the rivet counter? Not blooming likely!

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I see you keep forgeting what is discussed Max, I can't help you I'm afraid but a doctor might

And now it gets personal for no apparent reason. I don't want a discusssion about bugs with you and don't intent to. You are trying to derail a discussion with someone else and I'm not playing ball.

Get over it.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Good thing you don't resort to vague generalities, based on your own opinion, from your extensive programming knowledge

As I said. It was my personal subjective view. Others may feel differently. doesn't bother me really.

 

[Riverside]

Do you ever look for the common ground Max? Seems to me you just like to perpetuate arguments for as long as possible over trivialities.

Just state your point if you feel you haven't clarified enough & be done with it please. You seem to have a point, just not backed up with anything more than your own conjecture.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Do you ever look for the common ground Max? Seems to me you just like to perpetuate arguments for as long as possible over trivialities.

Just state your point if you feel you haven't clarified enough & be done with it please. You seem to have a point, just not backed up with anything more than your own conjecture.

I have stated my point and did attempt to reach common ground and thought I had. To be honest I have no idea why amigacooke keeps replying to me with stuff that isn't really important or relavent. I'm just replying out of courtesy. He asks the questions so I answer.

 

[WR3ND]

And get ripped apart by the rivet counter? Not blooming likely!

I'd likely buy it and enjoy playing it with my daughter (couldn't say for sure since it doesn't actually exist). That's good enough for me. Maybe that'd be good enough for Frontier too, or maybe not. But anyway, I don't mean to continue too far off topic.

Cheers.

 

[StuartGT]

Right, because there's been so much cross over between other Frontier titles and ED.

Okay

 

[Ian Skippy]

But anyway, I don't mean to continue too far off topic.

Considering we've discussed using doorless refrigerators as a canoe I think there isn't much harm in that at this point in the 'discussion'.

 

[Ian Skippy]

You're confident that Frontier will deliver even though you have no idea what they are intending to deliver?

Sounds pretty loyal to me

I hope Frontier will deliver, but as I don't have an inkling of what their target is, I can't reasonably be expected to pass a valued judgement either way.

There is no reason to make it needlessly complex. Some of us have enjoyed this game a lot, even more so when you compare how many hours of fun we've had for what we've paid. I've a mate who likes to cook. I've enjoyed many of his meals. Sometimes he says he is working on something and when he does I anticipate a fun meal in the future. Even when I don't know at all what he is thinking about cooking.

 

[rootsrat]

I'd likely buy it and enjoy playing it with my daughter (couldn't say for sure since it doesn't actually exist). That's good enough for me. Maybe that'd be good enough for Frontier too, or maybe not. But anyway, I don't mean to continue too far off topic.

Cheers.

Little offtopic (what is this thread about again? ), but try Railway Empire. It's a spiritual successor to Sid Meyer's Railroad Tycoon, very cool little game!

 

[amigacooke]

To be honest I have no idea why amigacooke keeps replying to me with stuff that isn't really important or relavent.

It's a hobby.

 

[lostagain]

It's a hobby.

Cat & Mouse kind of thing.
I knew it!

 

[Shinji Ikari]

And now it gets personal for no apparent reason. I don't want a discusssion about bugs with you and don't intent to. You are trying to derail a discussion with someone else and I'm not playing ball.

Get over it.

You did keep replying though, and no that's not me getting personal, that's me being honest, in every discussion I've had with you, you forget what was said before constantly.

 

[Phazon Xenomorph]

I was just sharing an observation, we don't know squat about what will be released and when.

Btw, if Fdev would indeed talk a bit more then there wouldn't be so many uncertainties imho.

The problem is I think they are becoming almost like Star Citizen where now they want a bunch of features and are spreading themselves too thin. Instead of buckling down, fixing bugs, and delivering regular updates, we now have this lame 2020 patch / paid content to "look forward to" with no teasers or anything and the game in such a poor state that cheaters are now running rampant with infinite-jump-range-at-zero-fuel-cost hacks or infinite shield health hacks with no heat overload. And people not making much in the way of content anymore for the game either as fans. I've noticed a lot of less uploads these days from everyone from the amazing Yamiks, to Blind Pew, to other notables. All I ever see is Obsidian Ant promoting Frontier and hey, I'm happy for him, but the fact is he's a virtually paid white knight who won't badmouth the game since he gets special treatment Frontier (And fair enough, you don't bite the hand that feeds you after all).

So yeah, we players WANT Frontier to communicate already. This lack of transparency and lack of communication can kill a game faster than even a bad update.

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

The problem is I think they are becoming almost like Star Citizen where now they want a bunch of features and are spreading themselves too thin.

I wouldn't say its exactly like that. Frontier aren't uncontrollably working on whatever feature, its a conscious choice, and over the years its become clear they have explicitly decided running game with this level of bugs is acceptable. There are many years of evidence for this, and look at the number of player raised bug reports, you can't claim its ignorance.

The current level of quality is a call they make. Also notice how there are pretty much zero complete show stoppers, and when they do occur, like the fss bug after the april patch they fix it immediately. If frontier decide to, they have proved bugs can get fixed....

 

[StuartGT]

I've noticed a lot of less uploads these days from everyone from the amazing Yamiks, to Blind Pew, to other notables. All I ever see is Obsidian Ant promoting Frontier and hey, I'm happy for him, but the fact is he's a virtually paid white knight who won't badmouth the game since he gets special treatment Frontier (And fair enough, you don't bite the hand that feeds you after all).

 

[Agony_Aunt]

All I ever see is Obsidian Ant promoting Frontier and hey, I'm happy for him, but the fact is he's a virtually paid white knight who won't badmouth the game since he gets special treatment Frontier (And fair enough, you don't bite the hand that feeds you after all).

May i suggest then you haven't paid enough attention to his videos? OA does give criticism to FD. He does it in a very polite and constructive way. What he doesn't do is go off foaming at the mouth ranting and raging about things. Perhaps this is what confuses you.

 

[TheSynopticVision]

May i suggest then you haven't paid enough attention to his videos? OA does give criticism to FD. He does it in a very polite and constructive way. What he doesn't do is go off foaming at the mouth ranting and raging about things. Perhaps this is what confuses you.

That is very true.

It's funny tho that when OA comments on the importance/necessity of having a roadmap people trip over themselves to agree.
When someone on the forum makes the same comment they get "lol you foolish entitled kid, don't you know anything about how videogame development works?"

 

[JustJon]

Having worked in software dev for over 20 years I can see both sides to the argument - but it comes down to this for me - there is always a road map however what no one can do when creating that road map is put accurate estimations of time against it.

You can have best endeavours and sometimes there is pressure put on people to say things can be done sooner - but that in itself it counter productive as things will take as long as things need to - just because someone on a bigger salary says things should take less time it does not mean they will.

You can often find that things which initially were though of as 'easy' are difficult because of the way the core game was built for example.

We recently had to refactor a load of code as the project took an unexpected turn and the code which had been written could not support the user needs - that meant a lot of work for 'limited' return however once completed it meant the platform was then move flexible - 2 years ago we did not and could not have envisaged that would happen - but it did.

But yeah those of you who says the Fdev should give 'me' an accurate roadmap which is not going to change for the next 2 years and if they do they need to explain to 'me' why this has happened and what they are going to do to recompense 'me' are actually just dinosaurs

Where I currently work we had a horrible culture of trying to force people to agree to timescales they do not want to just so 'you' can then go and tell 'your' boss you are going to get things done more quickly but in reality 'you' are just going to blame the guy 'you' forced to agree to a timescale they did not agree with.

Finally we managed to get people to understand that there is no crystal ball, there is no magic wand to wave which will make all those things you want to happen happen and now thankfully that toxic rubbishh!t has gone.