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They don't need to sort anything out.
Just keep on ignoring the threads they way they've been doing for years.
Let me buy the Cobra MK IV please.
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They don't need to sort anything out.
Just keep on ignoring the threads they way they've been doing for years.
Completely beside the point. The comment was on how the issue has been unnecessarily complicated, illustrated by the posed hypothetical about how long it would take Frontier to address the concerns IF they decided to, hence my exaggeration regarding the 2020 update based on that hypothetical.
Put simply, the question of making the Cobra MKIV accessible to all players should be treated like any other proposed feature or change, with the same assessments made.
With any proposed change, some players will be pleased, and others disappointed. Frontier have sometimes disappointed more players than they've pleased with some of their changes. With opening up access to the MKIV, they could at least be sure that servicing the majority will guarantee more approval than disapproval from their player base, the vocal minorities notwithstanding.
The reasons for why some players will approve and some will not, will differ with each proposed change, but ultimately, the primary purpose behind understanding these reasons is to try to determine the impact of the change. In this case, the impact is all but pre-determined: most will be happy with access to a new ship (to them), some who already have access will be happy that others now do too, while the opposing vocal minority will be on the forums for a while preaching law and morals and hurling abuse over what they view as an unforgivable betrayal and never being able to trust Frontier again, and they will often bring it up in relation to other issues on the forums, and they exclusively will hold a grudge over it forever.
I'm sure that if Frontier can ignore these threads, they can just as easily ignore those resulting ones.
Really poor reasoning.
You realise sometimes things go on sale or loose value over time? (People who bought Elite Dangerous at the beginning cought up much more than those who buy it today with 75% discount)
I suppose everyone who bought Elite in 1984 should sue David Braben now, because he's giving it away for free? If they known, they could've just waited...
Cobra IV was given as exclusive asset if game was bought at certain time. This was part of the deal. Shop cosmetics, on other hand, are not sold as exclusive items and their price is susceptible to changes. This distinction is essential.
If you want it on shelf date when it's brand new, you pay top dollar. Simple.
This is the way the video industry used to work, when a brand new VHS tape was $120 but it had lost 80% of that within a month if you (as a reseller) took 'advantage' of the distributor buyback deal or sold it.
Patience should always save you a fortune if you're prepared to wait it out...
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You could look at this another way. What was once exclusively available for real world currency, is now also available for in-game currency (albeit a new type). People who invested early (i.e. before Arx) with their hard earned cash for the privilege of those cosmetic customisations may now rightfully claim to feel as ill treated as those early investors in Horizon who argue for maintaining the exclusivity of the Cobra MKIV would be, if the ship were made available under circumstances extraneous to the original one.
Granted, there was never any promise that cosmetics would only ever be available for real world currency, but I don't think that makes much difference to the impact it will have on the early investors. If not for the foolish promise of forever, this precedent could be used to argue that the decision of exclusivity for the MKIV can be similarly reversed by Frontier. Personally, I don't think the precedent is required. As argued in more detail in my previous posts, as a proposed feature or change, it will have far more positive impact than negative, which is the more relevant measure for any product.
Really? C'mon.
Cosmetics, their pricing and availibility of Cobra are two different things. I really don't understand why you mix them up.
The deal with Cobra was: "you buy this product now, you'll get this ship, that you'll not be able to get in any other way" right? If they make it available now, they'll be doing exactly what they promised they wouldn't. Nobody promises that cosmetics will be "exclusively available" for $4 forever. There can be giveaway tomorrow and everything might be available for free.
I don't argue whether they should, or shouldn't make Cobra available now. I understand why it isn't, I accept it. For one, making it available now would hurt Frontier credibility. As it is now, If they decide to make another, similiar offer with upcoming Elite expansion f.ex I'll know that if I'll not take it, I'll not be able to get promised asset any other way.
That being said, I personally hope they'll never do that kind of thing again, because this is too close to a Pay2win scenario.
Pointing out categorical similarities between two scenarios is not a conflation. They are two distinct cases, yet bear similarities in terms of exclusivity regarding conditions for accessibility, as well as having similar impact in the event of their exclusivity being revoked.
As for the prospect of Frontier losing credibility if they decided to finally make the MKIV accessible to all after years of exclusivity, that is definitely going to occur with some part of the current player base, and would be considered a negative impact.
However, as previously mentioned, those Horizons early adopters are a diminishing minority as far as active players go. Moreover, some of them don’t care about having access to the MKIV, while some others who do care for the ship are happy for the rest of the player base to have access. That leaves a fraction of a diminishing minority, albeit a vocal fraction, who would take issue with the decision.
Conversely, the majority of the player base being granted access to the MKIV would definitely be a positive impact, now and in the future for new players, and by the metric of how many people would be pleased with the decision and how many would be disappointed, the positive would far outweigh the negative, which is more than can be said of some decisions Frontier has made for the game.
First, let me be clear - I don’t care if this were released or not. I have no use for a low end ship like this.
Now, that said - to all you World’s Enders - I hate to break it to you, but you’re totally wrong. If the C4 were released nothing would change. You’d be no more or less special that you are right now.
The game wouldn’t end, the stars wouldn’t fall, dogs and cats would not start living together. Nothing would happen. Only about 4 people would actually care, and well, that’s just not enough people to actually matter. Since you started reading this that many people in the world died. Did you even notice?
“But their word...” isn’t worth the pixels it takes to express it. Frontier is a company, and “the word” of a company really carries no meaning. Not in the same manner an actual living being’s word should. Note I said should - since these days that doesn’t carry much weight either. But this isn’t the social degeneration thread. This is the C4 thread.
It’s really not worth as much discussion as it’s gotten. It’s a crap ship once you can afford a Dolphin, and even before it’s only barely OK as a I’m-just-learning-to-mine ship. So just let it go.
“This is not the ship you’re looking for.”
Now, that said - to all you World’s Enders - I hate to break it to you, but you’re totally wrong. If the C4 were released nothing would change. You’d be no more or less special that you are right now.
The game wouldn’t end, the stars wouldn’t fall, dogs and cats would not start living together. Nothing would happen. Only about 4 people would actually care, and well, that’s just not enough people to actually matter. Since you started reading this that many people in the world died. Did you even notice?
“But their word...” isn’t worth the pixels it takes to express it. Frontier is a company, and “the word” of a company really carries no meaning. Not in the same manner an actual living being’s word should. Note I said should - since these days that doesn’t carry much weight either. But this isn’t the social degeneration thread. This is the C4 thread.
It’s really not worth as much discussion as it’s gotten. It’s a crap ship once you can afford a Dolphin, and even before it’s only barely OK as a I’m-just-learning-to-mine ship. So just let it go.
“This is not the ship you’re looking for.”
To me: It has nothing to do with the World ending, or the shy falling on our heads. That would be F.Ds issue, not mine.First, let me be clear - I don’t care if this were released or not. I have no use for a low end ship like this.
Now, that said - to all you World’s Enders - I hate to break it to you, but you’re totally wrong. If the C4 were released nothing would change. You’d be no more or less special that you are right now.
The game wouldn’t end, the stars wouldn’t fall, dogs and cats would not start living together. Nothing would happen. Only about 4 people would actually care, and well, that’s just not enough people to actually matter. Since you started reading this that many people in the world died. Did you even notice?
“But their word...” isn’t worth the pixels it takes to express it. Frontier is a company, and “the word” of a company really carries no meaning. Not in the same manner an actual living being’s word should. Note I said should - since these days that doesn’t carry much weight either. But this isn’t the social degeneration thread. This is the C4 thread.
It’s really not worth as much discussion as it’s gotten. It’s a crap ship once you can afford a Dolphin, and even before it’s only barely OK as a I’m-just-learning-to-mine ship. So just let it go.
“This is not the ship you’re looking for.”
To me, it is hard to explain. I think because there has been so much said and written. So many complaints and rants of jealousy, over this little ship; it has become, even more special to me.
To use a metaphor: When I get out of the bath, I have a little shake and then run straight out into the garden and each and every time, I go straight to the same spot on the grass. It is a little be dusty, a little bit old and worn and just right, to have a good roll about and rub my back dry. It may be dirty, old worn; but it IS my spot, my special 'after bath spot' and that is what the Cobra exclusive, now feels like to me.
So to sum up, we have two main arguments.
1. No, you can't have the ship because you didn't play the game back then or
2. Its , why do you care,
I'm new to the forum. Cheers for the personal attacks from some of you, I didn't realise how involved some of you are in the game. Its just a ship.
1. No, you can't have the ship because you didn't play the game back then or
2. Its , why do you care,
I'm new to the forum. Cheers for the personal attacks from some of you, I didn't realise how involved some of you are in the game. Its just a ship.
Honestly, the ship's not as bad as some make out, but it's not brilliant either.
But it was an exclusive, and so without going back over the argument, it should stay that way.
Perhaps the use of the ship in the "you can fly all these" was ill advised, but... eh... there are always more ships and there will be even more.
Like you’re standing outside, wet and naked?
He's a dog, you know.
You didn't pre-order Horizons?
Sorry for your loss.
A promise is meant to be kept.
Welcome to the Carousel of Life.
Try the veal, I'm here all week
Its not just a ship. Its a thank you. It's a reward. It's a sign of appreciation. It's something that not everybody can have but those who showed faith in this project from the early days, like a medal or a service ribbon. You don't buy those, you get awarded them.
I'll never have one because I'd been out of the gaming scene for more than a decade after my son was born and had no idea ED was even a thing outside of Viagra adverts. As soon as I knew about it I went out and bought a PS4 specifically for ED and nothing else. It came with RD2 that I actually gave away.
I know I'll never have a C4 but I'm absolutely fine with that. Its not even a legacy ship from earlier Elite iterations so there's no nostalgia involved in a C4. It has no history, no romance attached to it.
The C3 was the first ship I bought and I still have it as it connects me to my youth. The C4 doesn't so I don't care about it.
I just wish the whiners that keep demanding one would accept it and stop cluttering up the boards with this stuff - there seems to be one every week. It's just spam! Frontier won't cave and nor should they.
Rant over.
o7 and out.
I'll never have one because I'd been out of the gaming scene for more than a decade after my son was born and had no idea ED was even a thing outside of Viagra adverts. As soon as I knew about it I went out and bought a PS4 specifically for ED and nothing else. It came with RD2 that I actually gave away.
I know I'll never have a C4 but I'm absolutely fine with that. Its not even a legacy ship from earlier Elite iterations so there's no nostalgia involved in a C4. It has no history, no romance attached to it.
The C3 was the first ship I bought and I still have it as it connects me to my youth. The C4 doesn't so I don't care about it.
I just wish the whiners that keep demanding one would accept it and stop cluttering up the boards with this stuff - there seems to be one every week. It's just spam! Frontier won't cave and nor should they.
Rant over.
o7 and out.
You may have one but only you.
I promise to pinch the purse of every kindly old lady I come across.
Should I keep my promise or break it?
Vote now. The fate of elderly women is in your hands!
It's a ship. I dont understand why people seem to be getting so angry over this. Judging from this thread alone, no one flys this thing. What a waste.
Would you be annoyed by the c4 becoming buyable? Who does this effect and how does it affect them? Even with your (very fair) argument, it's been 5 years, and it's a video game?
I dont understand why it matters anymore?
It’s a digital object. Knowing about the release of Horizons before the cut off date is not an achievement or service that justifies refusal to replicate this digital object for those who found out about the game later.
As far as rewards go, for what little was actually done to earn said reward, a few years of exclusivity is more than sufficient as far as I’m concerned. Frontier’s view is a different matter.