Let me buy the Cobra MK IV please.

[Arry]

I have access to the ship, and I and many others have no problem in making it free, I do not like this kind of exclusives, but I do also know about people that would "never" agree to let go of the exclusiveness, some out of spite (these are my jerks), and some because they they believe a promise is a promise, and there is very little we can do come to an agreement with both of these groups people to change things.

I believe that they should have done something different, time limited exclusivity is the obvious thing, like 6 months, and then anyone can buy the ship, but we had it for 6 months... now this would not matter a single bit... then they could have done something interresting, like giving us the option to start over in a Cobra Mk IV as a starter ship. that would be unique, and would not limit this ship from anyone, and I would guess that most players would not use this option, as reseting their game save would be to much work, when you think about unlocking engineers, ranking up etc, etc. But it would not be a game breaking thing. Oh well, we can dream they did things differently.

In the beginning, I was happy to open it to all, but I have been called, labelled as the bad guy, and vilified so many times, by those that don't have it, my attitude has done a 180.

F.D. just need to build a 'similar ship' to appease the whiners, but then, there would still be demands for the Cobra IV and the vilification of those who earned or brought the access, would not stop.

 

[Florenus]

Well, as many often point to the terms and conditions to defend Frontier's dodgy trading practices, I'd be interested in seeing any terms and conditions that require Frontier to maintain the exclusivity of the Cobra MKIV. I'd bet that they are not legally obliged to keep it exclusive at all.

Still, regardless of what is stated, it is a fact that a player who has bought the game - having considered all the selling points on the website - should legitimately expect to be able to use the Cobra MKIV in-game at the present time as it has not been stated anywhere that it is 'excluded' to the new player. Unless and until Frontier rectify this on the website, all new players should have access to this ship - it's that simple.

Dude, you're annoyingly stubborn with your twisted logic.

"(...)The Cobra Mk IV will be available in the game only to players who joined us in the first year – forever. It’s our ‘thank you’ for your faith in the game(...)"
source:

Announcing Elite Dangerous: Horizons | Elite Dangerous Community Site

community.elitedangerous.com

(desclaimer: I don't have access to it)

 

[Arry]

Dude, you're annoyingly stubborn with your twisted logic.

"(...)The Cobra Mk IV will be available in the game only to players who joined us in the first year – forever. It’s our ‘thank you’ for your faith in the game(...)"
source:

Announcing Elite Dangerous: Horizons | Elite Dangerous Community Site

community.elitedangerous.com

(desclaimer: I don't have access to it)

.................and then the deal was made, the contract was offered and agreed to, by many. Just remember, it was not our fault.

 

[VR CMDR Novindus]

.................and then the deal was made, the contract was offered and agreed to, by many. Just remember, it was not our fault.

I've read or been involved in a number of these threads, and I don't recall any blame being placed on those who have access to the MKIV but were happy for others to be given access as well.

It is the case however that those arguing for the exclusivity to be maintained were vilified. While it is ultimately Frontier's fault, and specifically Braben, those arguing for exclusivity to remain are seen as an obstacle to forming a unified front for the change request. I don't know if there's any truth in that as far as Frontier views things, and whether they'd change their minds even if every player asked them to. In any case, I don't believe that even those supporting exclusivity are to blame.

But those calling for exclusivity to be protected were described as holding a selfish view, including by me, and I stand by that. It's a selfish view, even if you previously were inclined to support the call for open availability of the ship, and only changed your mind because some of the people calling for the exclusivity to be revoked might have tried to blame you. It doesn't change the fact that the majority of players will be able to enjoy having access to the ship if Frontier reversed their decision, and that those who already have it don't lose access to it, so reversing position on the basis of a few bad actors doesn't negate the attribution of selfishness to that view. I'm not intimating that you're a selfish person in general, just that this is demonstrably a selfish position to take.

This is particularly true because of the virtually meaningless condition upon which access to the MKIV was acquired.

 

[Crimson Echo]

As someone who only narrowly missed the cut off for the mk iv i see no reason to have expanded avalibility at present. I was a little salty at the time due to some of the wording related to the offerering. Since the mk4 is not across the board better than comperable ships avalible to everyone releasing it more widely would serve not purpose, and might inflame some elitists.

If it ever becomes a huge issue nothing stops fdev from releasing a new ship like a mk5 or other similar reskin to fill the niche. Hardpoint arrangemwnt could be different etc to better differentiate the ships.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

I've read or been involved in a number of these threads, and I don't recall any blame being placed on those who have access to the MKIV but were happy for others to be given access as well.

It is the case however that those arguing for the exclusivity to be maintained were vilified. While it is ultimately Frontier's fault, and specifically Braben, those arguing for exclusivity to remain are seen as an obstacle to forming a unified front for the change request. I don't know if there's any truth in that as far as Frontier views things, and whether they'd change their minds even if every player asked them to. In any case, I don't believe that even those supporting exclusivity are to blame.

But those calling for exclusivity to be protected were described as holding a selfish view, including by me, and I stand by that. It's a selfish view, even if you previously were inclined to support the call for open availability of the ship, and only changed your mind because some of the people calling for the exclusivity to be revoked might have tried to blame you. It doesn't change the fact that the majority of players will be able to enjoy having access to the ship if Frontier reversed their decision, and that those who already have it don't lose access to it, so reversing position on the basis of a few bad actors doesn't negate the attribution of selfishness to that view. I'm not intimating that you're a selfish person in general, just that this is demonstrably a selfish position to take.

This is particularly true because of the virtually meaningless condition upon which access to the MKIV was acquired.

It's funny, I call people who demand that other people give up something they paid for, just so that they can have it too, selfish. After all "I want" is an intrinsically selfish position to take.

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

It's funny, I call people who demand that other people give up something they paid for, just so that they can have it too, selfish. After all "I want" is an intrinsically selfish position to take.

I think what hes trying to do is making a moral judgement that anyone who views exclusivity as a notion of value (monetary or otherwise) is sub optimal.

I personally think that without the fundamental assumption that players should have an opportunity at nice things.. there is not basis to provide any feedback at all and we should just be disinterested (instead adapting into a white knight is a logical fallacy

 

[Factabulous]

Y'all need to go watch a documentary called "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory", it studies the psychological and physical harm that can occur when one focuses on attainment of the unattainable, it's a chilling story.

 

[Nihila Vex]

Why not right? Are the early backers going to feel cheated after all this time?

As an early backer, no. I wouldn't feel cheated. Personally, I was an early backer because I wanted access to the game more than because an exclusive ship was on offer. For what it's worth I'd be more than happy for you to be able to buy the Cobra IV (though I'd be surprised if you stuck with it all that long, to be honest - it's not a particularly good ship. I can see the appeal for completionists who just want to say they own/have owned it).

 

[CMDR Jowley]

I have more to say.

People are talking about legal issues here? Trust issues and all sorts of pointless poop. After reading what everyone is saying I'm going back to my first line of thought.

I know what exclusive means, I dont care. It's a ship within a game which has a shelf life. If we were talking about some sort of limited edition toy ship that FDev sent you as a thank you or something physical which isn't reproduced for free. I would understand, in fact, I would have never brought it up. If fact, why didn't they do this..

We are speaking about a ship, in a video game, which is old as my niece.

Even if people would be hurt about making the c4 for everyone, so many more player would be happy to just have another ship that this wouldn't matter slightly.

 

[Cmdr. Numa]

Free the Cobra IV. It's a fantastic ship for new players first and foremost, but they can't get it, stupid in my eyes. Mine is living it's life as material collector. For all main purposes I've moved beyond it. For a new player it could be the main ship for a while. The September update is the second one focusing on the new player experience. That's a better time than ever to get rid of the restriction and a good decision for the game overall.

 

[CMDR Jowley]

Free the Cobra IV. It's a fantastic ship for new players first and foremost, but they can't get it, stupid in my eyes. Mine is living it's life as material collector. For all main purposes I've moved beyond it. For a new player it could be the main ship for a while. The September update is the second one focusing on the new player experience. That's a better time than ever to get rid of the restriction and a good decision for the game overall.

The key word is "overall"

I really don't know why they dont make little modal ships though, I would buy the hell out of that

 

[Nihila Vex]

I really don't know why they dont make little modal ships though, I would buy the hell out of that

Seconded. I'd buy an Asp Explorer and a Clipper. They'd look just nice painted up on nice stands.

 

[Misty_Dark]

I have more to say.

People are talking about legal issues here? Trust issues and all sorts of pointless poop. After reading what everyone is saying I'm going back to my first line of thought.

I know what exclusive means, I dont care. It's a ship within a game which has a shelf life. If we were talking about some sort of limited edition toy ship that FDev sent you as a thank you or something physical which isn't reproduced for free. I would understand, in fact, I would have never brought it up. If fact, why didn't they do this..

We are speaking about a ship, in a video game, which is old as my niece.

Even if people would be hurt about making the c4 for everyone, so many more player would be happy to just have another ship that this wouldn't matter slightly.

'Soi you know the meaning of stuff, and nio wyou want to simply ingore that? So what else should we "ignore" in the game then? should we simply remove solo from the game? why not? Open are the most poopular mode, so simply going back on offering solo seems like a no brainer then...
Why have private groups left? same story as before, Open is the most popular mode....

Now this could be fantatic news or terrible new, depending on your playstyle. if you are in the camp, I want play alone and not be bothered by other players, then this would be pretty terrible change, and this is where trust comes in, would trust FDev n the future not to break their word? and if they break their word, just becuase some small groups screams I want it this way... FDev messed up, and your solution is no real solution, as that open up pandoras box for FDev to go back on whatever they feels like, and be very wary about what that could mean, as you might get your ship and then alot of other changes that you did not want to happen....

 

[CMDR Jowley]

'Soi you know the meaning of stuff, and nio wyou want to simply ingore that? So what else should we "ignore" in the game then? should we simply remove solo from the game? why not? Open are the most poopular mode, so simply going back on offering solo seems like a no brainer then...
Why have private groups left? same story as before, Open is the most popular mode....

Now this could be fantatic news or terrible new, depending on your playstyle. if you are in the camp, I want play alone and not be bothered by other players, then this would be pretty terrible change, and this is where trust comes in, would trust FDev n the future not to break their word? and if they break their word, just becuase some small groups screams I want it this way... FDev messed up, and your solution is no real solution, as that open up pandoras box for FDev to go back on whatever they feels like, and be very wary about what that could mean, as you might get your ship and then alot of other changes that you did not want to happen....

What? What are you talking about? It's a ship. We are speaking about a ship which is already in the game and making this ship valuable for all players.

 

[Nihila Vex]

'Soi you know the meaning of stuff, and nio wyou want to simply ingore that? So what else should we "ignore" in the game then? should we simply remove solo from the game? why not? Open are the most poopular mode, so simply going back on offering solo seems like a no brainer then...
Why have private groups left? same story as before, Open is the most popular mode....

Now this could be fantatic news or terrible new, depending on your playstyle. if you are in the camp, I want play alone and not be bothered by other players, then this would be pretty terrible change, and this is where trust comes in, would trust FDev n the future not to break their word? and if they break their word, just becuase some small groups screams I want it this way... FDev messed up, and your solution is no real solution, as that open up pandoras box for FDev to go back on whatever they feels like, and be very wary about what that could mean, as you might get your ship and then alot of other changes that you did not want to happen....

That's a pretty disproportionate comparison, though, isn't it? Removing Solo would be making a major change to the way many people play. Releasing the Cobra IV so that everyone can buy it now - five years after the game's release - doesn't affect your game in the slightest. The only thing it changes is that you have to live with the fact that what was once exclusive to you is now available to everyone. And to be quite honest if you can't suck that up after five years of that exclusivity, that concerns me.

 

[zimms]

I guess it would also be nice for all players overall if Elite were completely free.

Funny how people are disguising the "I want" as the Greater Good now.

 

[Misty_Dark]

What? What are you talking about? It's a ship. We are speaking about a ship which is already in the game and making this ship valuable for all players.

I am talking about trust and keeping their promises. things that you obviously do not believe in, as you are willingly when suits you, to throw that out the window...

And yourt attempt to downplay its importance, by saying it is just a game. then why it is so important for you to have it then? it is still just a game..... why shoudl that be so important.

 

[FurryFailure]

What boggles my mind is why people are so fixated on the exclusivity on a single ship among a wide selection of alternatives where the large general consensus is that it's all but useless and can easily be replaced, yeah it's just a ship in a video game what's it matter if it's given to everyone, but at the same time, it's a ship in a video game that can't be obtained among a wide selection of alternatives, why does it matter if you can or cannot obtain it?

Sure we'd all like to have it.. but does it really matter? Buy something else and move on, it's not like the CM4 can insta-kill Corvettes, you're not gonna lose sleep because you can't have that one tiny insignificant thing.

 

[Misty_Dark]

That's a pretty disproportionate comparison, though, isn't it? Removing Solo would be making a major change to the way many people play. Releasing the Cobra IV so that everyone can buy it now - five years after the game's release - doesn't affect your game in the slightest. The only thing it changes is that you have to live with the fact that what was once exclusive to you is now available to everyone. And to be quite honest if you can't suck that up after five years of that exclusivity, that concerns me.

I think you are totally missing the point here.. if you would have bothered reading my previous posts, then you should now that I do not really care about the exclusitivity of this ship, and top reiterate, I thik Fdev messed you here, and I have tried to explain why they really can't let this be available to everyone, as there are actually people, that value that it was anounced as an excusive ship , but that is not the point I am trying to make in the post you replied to....

And that argumunet yoyu tried to make also goes both ways, why can't you get over that you do not have access to that ship? I mean, if you play the get over it, it several years old, so why can't you suck it up that you are not getting this ship?