1) revenue generated from Ship kits and Paintjobs for the Cobra MkIV will mean that more developement will be forthcoming to the game - a.k.a. grreater good.
It might be a very small revenue stream but it is a very easy stream to tap into.
Let me buy the Cobra MK IV please.
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It might be a very small revenue stream but it is a very easy stream to tap into.
What's with the personal attack here? Talking about my creditablity like you know me or something.
It's not important mate. It IS just a game. It's not important to me. I'm sharing my thoughts. I just want to fly the c4 because I think it'll be fun. My only invest is let me use the c4, you can still it too, if you want. Why are you getting so personal? So eggy?
Can YOU tell me which star systems I will be visiting when I next log in? I cannot, as I am off meander exploring, with no particular destination in mind. If I were to go to a star system that I didn't have in storage (and, if it existed, I were in "Off-Line" Mode) the Game would crash when I jumped in, as my PC would not have any data on the system I had just arrived at (probably with a "Divide by Zero error" message).
You select the destination within your range... when in the jump tunnel Proc Gen makes the system... that's what happens now unless someone has already visited.
Have you ever seen SpaceEngine? I strongly suggest you give it a try. It's a breathtaking achievement that utterly dwarfs ED's single galaxy. SpaceEngine generates countless whole galaxies on the fly and allows the player to explore them at will. Its graphics, in terms of the astronomical environment, easily rival ED - oh, and you can land on planets, with atmospheres of various kinds, and look at the most stunning visual displays.
It really is a hell of an achievement.
I have a copy stored locally on my home computer. It doesn't take very much drive space at all.
Yeah, I looked at that and was very impressed.
Space Engine is using around 47GB on my PC, less than quite a few 'smaller' games
It would have been better if they'd made it exclusive during the lifetime of Horizons and then available to all afterwards.
I had one but sold it when I realised just how utterly useless it is.
You also have to consider the view from your ship when you are in Space. In order for the view to be as accurate as reasonably possible the Game has to know where YOU are in relation to the Stars, how close you are to the Primary Star (or, possibly, Secondary Stars), and then 'create' the visual background you would see if you were REALLY there (and that is just if you are stationary). As you get further away from any Stars in the System you are in the Galaxy becomes clearer and more defined (with the Stars shining in their correct colours). In order for all this to work your PC would have to know (if we just take the stars as an example) how far away the stars are, their magnitude and star type. If you just include star types within a few maximum range Jumps you will lose a lot of stars (I KNOW that, where I am in the Galaxy, I can see certain stars that are over 1,000LY away.
Hell Razor, what you have failed to add to this post is that whilst the PC received the Cobra MkIV for Horizons orders placed before the 5th Feb (and then the door came down), Frontier made the decision to similarly open the Cobra MkIV purchase window to the Xbox community six months later when Horizons was released to them.
In doing that, Frontier demonstrated that the 'exclusivity' comment could be sidestepped if they required.
I wont split the hairs that Elite Dangerous was released on PC on the 16th Dec 2014 - 1 year and 2 months before the offer closed, and the Xbox version of the game was released 15 June 2015, 1 year and 1 month before the Xbox offer closed. - The 'players who joined us int he first year' comment is a bit of a general statement.
(Playstation commanders were NOT given the same Cobra MkIV offering when they came online - PS4 commanders were given a Sidewinder paintjob)
Depending on which platform you are on, the Cobra MkIV has been exclusive to a group of commanders for either 3 & 1/2 years or 3 years 2 months.
As was reported in the Ships of Elite / Cobra MkIV thread, EDSM is currently tracking only 0.6% for commanders currently have the ship.
It should be opened to all.
As far as I can see you're making a big ol' thing out of what there is to see and what you Know there is to see.
When you look around the galaxy (turn your ship around) you see stars, (I will refer to undiscovered systems here) you can't just point an one and go there, you have to select it for the computer to know what to generate... even if it's only 1 light year away, (you can go to the star but the planets haven't been generated) you have to go through the jump tunnel while it generates from scratch or from records, if the game were off line you would only really need to know the known stars, and those extra solar planets... (which by the way are very little is known about them...) so fudging is probable, there is so little for your PC to store.
If I remember rightly, DB himself said the the Proc Gen Galaxy to a very shout amount of time... 'just like that...wham' that's not a quote there, just an approximation of what I remember.
Anyway the game off line wouldn't really be very big.
One could argue that the Cobra Mk IV ought not to have been made an exclusive.
But since it was made to be an exclusive - one could also argue that it ought not to be opened up. Simply as a matter of credibility and trustworthiness.
The question I have for anyone who really think this exclusivity promise should be broken in some way is this:
If an individual or organisation "promises" to make something as an exclusive, and then goes against their word, would you trust their integrity from that moment forward?
(The follow-on question then begs itself:
Does integrity even matter to you?)
(Be wary of answering that second question, because your answer might provide valid insight into your own character and integrity!)
Yours Aye
Mark H
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I know I have made my personal position clear. I am a Beta Backer (who also paid for the LEP), which means I do have access to things that other Players cannot see/get. However, Kickstarter Backers have even more (including the LEP for free if they pledged more than a certain amount (I do NOT know what the threshold was)). While it would be nice if I had their 'perks' I did not pay for them, so I did not earn them.
People who keep on going "I want.. I want... I WANT" without having done that 'task' which was required are just being greedy. People like this already have spoilt some of the Game for others. It took me 6 months to have enough to purchase an Anaconda with some upgrades and credits enough to cover the REBUY. Now a few days Void Opal mining can get you enough for a similar Anaconda. I enjoyed the anticipation, and (until Void Opals turned up) the effort that I and other Anaconda owners had put in to get their vessels. This Game was not (in the beginning) about instant gratification; it was (amongst other things) about putting in the time and effort to get the best out of the Game. The attitude that appears to be coming in is "I want EVERYTHING, I want it NOW, and I don't CARE if I am not entitled to it, I bought the Game so I SHOULD GET EVERYTHING I WANT". It is People like this who complain that it takes too long in Super Cruise to get anywhere, who want Jump ranges over 100LY (without engineering/modification), and the ability to log off in one Station and then, when they log in, be at a different Station.
I know what I want. I want those People who KEEP making unreasonable demands (and who have been told WHY these demands will not be met) to SHUT THE HECK UP! Unfortunately it is likely they and I will continue to be disappointed.
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FD made a mistake by allowing the cobra 4 to be exclusive - I bet that if they could do it all again they'd be a bit more careful with wording (as can be seen in the disclaimer on subsequent "exclusive" paint jobs).
Ultimately it was worth it for all of the forum schadenfreude, though.
Perhaps it turned out to be a mistake, in hindsight, I don't know.
What I do know is that, personally, I do not subscribe to schadehfreude, and I would wish that the players who want the C IV could have access to it if that was possible without breaking a prior agreement, but ultimately I value overall integrity more than other people's wants.
(Moreover, if the people who want access still want access after reading those words - if they value their want more than they value overall integrity - then they don't really deserve access to the C IV... in my opinion.)
There are situations in which I'll hold someone to a promise and pin a lot on their integrity. There are other situations in which I'll let it go, because it really isn't important enough to keep clinging to something if circumstances have changed or, as in this case, a great deal of time has passed. In those latter cases I don't believe it's a matter of integrity. It's a matter of practicality and realism.
I am a Beta backer. I have access to the Cobra Mark IV. I am more than happy for that ship to be released from its exclusivity and made available to everyone who wants it, regardless of any promises or undertakings FDev may have made at the time. I do not feel that that would be cheating me out of anything: I've had (nearly) five years to enjoy that exclusivity, and relish whatever sense of importance and specialness that brings me (none, for the record).
I absolutely do not and would not hold FDev to a promise made half a decade ago over something relatively unimportant. I admit I don't see what the appeal of the Cobra IV is for people, since I've never thought it a particularly good ship and little different in practical terms from the Mark III; but as I said in an earlier post, I understand some people are just completionists. Whatever: they have their reasons for wanting it, and I for one am quite happy for them to have it at this stage. Integrity doesn't come into it. It's not an important enough issue for that.
Not all Kickstarter backers have LEP for free. Also, I'm one like you who could've bought LEP but didn't when I could, so that is now a closed door even to the likes of early Kickstarter backers. My outlook is similar to yours. The fact that I didn't purchase the LEP at the time it was available is MY mistake, and I won't beseech anyone to provide it for me now that I've missed the opportunity. It was a one-off and I missed it. My bad. I blame nobody else and totally believe that Frontier ought not to offer the LEP again - even as one who might benefit personally from it.
I find it quite interesting that some people are able to grade some agreements as sacrosanct and yet others as unimportant.
As soon as you've crossed the line on one thing, and let an agreement willingly be broken, surely that sets a precedent by which all other agreements are rendered, at best, re-negotiable, and at worst, null and void by extension?
How do you choose which to wave your hand at and let slide?
And if the promise was made to "the public", how many of "the public" need to agree to let an agreement slide? Is it just one? Is it 50%? Is it 100%?
That, to me, is an interesting thought experiment. Feel free to participate if inclined to indulge with any comments...
I'm well and truly fed up with the credibility argument. Credibility is already out of the window for FD for good. Only one example: The 10% increased optimal mass engineering special effect publicly promised by Sandro on Stream never materialized. Technically that is not a broken promise until they never implement that until the game reaches it's end of life, but it's as good as broken. There are other examples, but I'm a bit too pressed for time at work to dig deeper. So the precendent has already been set.
I have since remembered that (if my memory is correct) a Kickstarter had to pledge a certain amount in order to receive the LEP, and I have updated my post to reflect this.
As I recall, there were two instances when the LEP was offered, and I got this on the second offering (which was, I believe, in September 2015). I don't regret this; I consider it a worthwhile investment in a Game I have over 3,000 hours time (I have spent about £200, which works out as about 15 hours entertainment for £1).