The Star Citizen Thread V10

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Sure do. We all want more. The scammers know that the best.....thats why they usually come up with a topic that we all yearn for. Star Citizen being a prime example for this. At first Star Citizen sounded ambitious but doable...exactly what the community wanted at the time. It provided a mouth-dropping trailer and CRoberts came across charismatic and honest on stage. Eventually the goalposts had to be moved because due to the delays competing games were able to creep closer and closer to what the original SC tried to accomplish and thats when it all truly landed in lala-land. I m pretty sure CRoberts had to realize at some point that he cannot deliver what he promised but that didnt stop him from keep running his own money-printing machine. Just deny or ignore all mistakes and shortcomings, lie your behind off in order to keep the backers on the hook and just keep going...regardless what it takes.

7 years later all that is shot to shreds. The game from the past is dead, replaced by a monstrosity that seems impossible to achieve, too bloated, too demanding on hardware and engine alike and even worse....the developers as well as the head honcho dont seem to have a firm grasp on how to proceed nor where they want to go to.

Sure the "dream" has kept evolving into an incredible version that the current PTU cannot keep nor provide. People have mostly moved away from "technical superiority" and trying to claim the title of BDSSE to simple "fun" instead which is cheap to use, doesnt take a lot to justify and can describe almost anything...including kicking each other into the genitals.

So you see...if a scammer recognizes what people wants he simply promises that and tries to make it appear like its possible. In Star Citizens case each factor reinforced the other. First the idea which lead to a successful kickstarter. And the level of success supported the original game even more because a game that only wanted 2 million dollars but got 65 instead.....what can possibly go wrong right? CIG rode on that success by touting funding and other big meaningless numbers around which helped em to gloss over the dire lack of results. There are results but they are neither very impressive nor did any of them arrive on time...many with YEARS of delay..plus what CIG created has a pricetag that makes it all an embarassment really. Thats what the SC project really come down to. A collosal waste of time and money that doesnt justify its results and throwing more money at it or having more patience wont change the facts we already have nor will it improve how things are handled.

Watching Star Citizens development today is like watching the developers in real time discovering what SC is and what is possible with the tools they were given years ago when these things should ve been the starting point in 2012...back when development started. We understand that development sometimes needs to change and that an active development can throw spanners into the works but those are exceptions and unwelcome, avoiding such things has top priority because its extremely costly and can stop a project in its tracks but sadly it seems like any of these things has become the norm for Star Citizens development Like there hasnt been a masterplan all this time except for "keep it running and bring in the moolah". It doesnt instill trust and it opens a can of very uncomfortable questions to events that happened in the past, now that we know more in hindsight.

Every scam in history is "trying" and going for the impossible or very impressive. What sets em apart is how long they are running and how much money they are able to waste before they collapse. In this regard Star Citizen certainly is in the elite club regarding duration buit when it comes to monetary value its not even in the top 20. Yes...scams are able to consume and waste BILLIONS all while appearing to be legit until they are revealed.

There hasnt been proof or evidence yet that Star Citizen actually is a scam but there have been a ton of red flags and suspicions and it appears more and more probable that this is exactly what it has turned into or is turning into.

I can see the allure of Star Citizen and understand why people are drawn to its potential. Its just that I personally am able to see through all the shine and pomp (while most people are blinded by tzhe pixels) and see the utter ruins that lie beneath the surface. Star Citizen wont be able to fulfill its expectations nor its promises. CIG is currently hard at work to at least avoid legal ramifications by checking off as many boxes as they can to avoid lawsuits once they go under or release a buggy unfinished game. Thats my own take but at least I m willing to voice my opinion clearly while the usual SC defender cowers and speaks vaguely of ideas and estimates all the while attacking skeptical voices as haters and other nonsense instead of addressing the accusations. Usual retorts like "its alpha" and other nonsene come across like copy-paste excuses and mostly it boils down to having "faith" and "trusting" in CIG to deliver on their promises...something that no other company (with a much better track record btw) enjoys from its fanbase.

Its very possible that all the "haters" and "SC bashers" as you call em are simply people who woke up earlier then the rest of the flock...I m pretty sure you ll be one of them once the general press and forensic investigations determine that SC was on a dead track since 2015 basically selling you an illusion and preying on your goodwill..even if you might not be able to admit that openly.

If we really NEED a game like Star Citizen I think we should make sure to trust a company that is capable of delivering it to us. That means keep asking the tough questions and remain skeptical, putting results under the magnifying glass and constantly challenge the developers to come true on their announcements...in time and in full. Since 2012 CIG has only proven that they are not the right company for the job. None of the others you name might be either but that doesnt mean that we should continue to feed CIG but look elsewhere.

Investors all around the world invest their money in new and groundbreaking projects. Some would call em "impossible" but most of them have one thing in common. Most of them fail and never come to fruitition because they simply promise more then they can deliver. Only in those cases the investors usually cut em short by withdrawing their money after a certain period of time in which the company failed to prove itself thus only the most capable and most promising projects survive the culling and keep on going. Usually by results.

Star Citizen is a project that feeds on private people who have no rights and no say in its development. CIG cuts out the required results completely by going full-bore hype and lies, ignopring obvious flaws and worries. The worst part is that a lot of those abused folks cannot help themselves but keep on defending a project that has turned bad refusing to face reality and seeing the facts instead making up a fantasy that doesnt reflect the real world. If you stand here and claim that Star Citizen already provides more then ED, NMS and X4 combined...trust me....it says far more about you as a person then it does about those games or Star Citizen :)
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Welcome youngling, nothing you said is news, followed by a big push explanation as to WHY Star Citizen is a failure....yadayadayada. if you ever read one of my posts you did read this one too, nothing new :)



I d like to add that the last few pages have been a total letdown in regards to welcoming new members to the discussion. Wheres the patience, the carefully researched facts and understanding we reserve for our kids? Shame on all of you for trying to shout poor old Havvk down....I made sure to openly display a +1 like to any post I dont agree with or find completely not funny....shame on you all ^^
 
You should probably use that claimed attribute and read up on Chris' history, then. If this does not temper your previous statements about him, then this assertion of yours loses a lot of credibility…
I know about that, but don't care.
 
That sounds like a you problem then
Not really, no. You see, we're not actually the same person.

Wheres the patience, the carefully researched facts and understanding we reserve for our kids?
It's reserved for kids, not the bridge-dwelling goat eaters whose opening gambit is straight out of the citizen playbook of antiquated insults — especially not the ones who are demonstrably not new too the discussion.
 
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@Havvk
Welcome to the entertainment of this thread.

@MTBFritz
You put it very well in your last epic post.

Speaking for myself. If you know you cannot fulfill your promises and continue collecting money pretending you can then you are scamming. My read of this whole project was initially they believed they could and I think it was certainly possible given the engine and the initial design. I got involved after the KS when the stretch goals began to mount and I saw lots of red flags and didn't bite. Its clear now that what has been promised is definitely not achievable and what has been done considering the money spent is pitiful. The judgment you need to make is whether they knowingly know they cannot make it. Reducing from 100 to 5 systems would seem an admission that they cannot (7 years 1 system -= 700 years!). If you think it is a scam then the next question is when that moment was reached? I have my opinion, but the question will be will the legal system at some point have to make a judgment?
 
...Reducing from 100 to 5 systems...

Really? Ouch! When did this happen? Was there much fallout amongst the supporters? I do honestly feel pretty sad for the invested fans. In their hearts they must feel the project slipping further and further away/behind.

(I ask as I very rarely visit this thread any more, as I find the whole subject too sad, depressing and frankly pointless.)

Edit.... aaaah is this fairly old news with '5 systems at launch, more to come in time'?
 
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Really? Ouch! When did this happen? Was there much fallout amongst the supporters? I do honestly feel pretty sad for the invested fans. In their hearts they must feel the project slipping further and further away/behind.
Nah....They still believe that Chris is just perfectionist(just go few pages back)and that SC going to be PERFECT if they just give CR&CIG a "little"bit more time........
 
I did vow on here to seek out owners of 890J's and pee in their swimming pools...thanks for the heads up mate, I've spent the night acting like a properly attentive husband, watching old movies snuggled up with my wife on the sofa and wasn't paying attention...so, downloading the PTU now.

But yeah, I'll be in there testing out the shallow end as soon as my 20th century connection to t'interweb catches up...I'll bring my gold budgie smugglers ;)
 
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Only an uninitiated person

#notacult

Must say, thanks for joining in. This thread can get very boring at times.

Id just like to say though your point about rabid foaming at the mouth haters is about as real as our posts about rabid cultists. There are a few on both extremes who go overboard in their attacks/defenses of the project.

If you hang out and chill in this thread for a while you will understand most of us are just here for the laugh at what we see to be a trainwreck of a project.

Its not a scam by any intentional means. Its clear CR wants it to succeed and believes he can deliver. However, if the project fails it will certainly be viewed as a scam by many who backed the project when they dont get what they paid for.

We need to wait and see if CR can actually deliver something before that something is made irrelevant by time. It is highly improbable thay he can even deliver on half of what he has promised backers over the years though, even if given another 10 years and a billion dollars more.

At best, SC might one day be a decent space game. One that even us skeptics might consider buying and playing.
 
#notacult

Must say, thanks for joining in. This thread can get very boring at times.

Id just like to say though your point about rabid foaming at the mouth haters is about as real as our posts about rabid cultists. There are a few on both extremes who go overboard in their attacks/defenses of the project.

If you hang out and chill in this thread for a while you will understand most of us are just here for the laugh at what we see to be a trainwreck of a project.

Its not a scam by any intentional means. Its clear CR wants it to succeed and believes he can deliver. However, if the project fails it will certainly be viewed as a scam by many who backed the project when they dont get what they paid for.

We need to wait and see if CR can actually deliver something before that something is made irrelevant by time. It is highly improbable thay he can even deliver on half of what he has promised backers over the years though, even if given another 10 years and a billion dollars more.

At best, SC might one day be a decent space game. One that even us skeptics might consider buying and playing.
Finally somebody who understands what's really happening.

It's not a scam.

BUT


B I G BUT


It isn't really a 'completed' game either. Make what you will of it, just don't be a white knight or a hater and you'll be fine
 
Really? Ouch! When did this happen? Was there much fallout amongst the supporters? I do honestly feel pretty sad for the invested fans. In their hearts they must feel the project slipping further and further away/behind.

(I ask as I very rarely visit this thread any more, as I find the whole subject too sad, depressing and frankly pointless.)

Edit.... aaaah is this fairly old news with '5 systems at launch, more to come in time'?

Yeah, it was fairly clear the 105 systems at launch was a pipe dream a long time ago. But the addition of full planetary landings changed the focus from it being a space game to being a planet game and so those planets need content. Space has taken a back seat for the nonce.

Those planets are going to take years to develop to any level of content and detail, so unless they start pumping out less detailed planets and systems even 5 systems within the next few years is highly optimistic.

Iirc Lando made a comment a few years ago about SC launching with 5-7 systems and that rustled a few jimmies. He quickly came back with a comment adding that of course more to be added post release.

Since then we have had CR posing the philosophical question "What is release anyway?" and when asked about a 1.0 release he said what do you mean, we will soon be releasing 3.0.

Its a long way from the early days when backers proclaimed that SC would be good because CIG would release a finished product, not a half finished buggy mess like certain other games.

It also ties in with how CIG and some backers seem to hold two opposing "truths" to be valid at the same time when it comes to the topics of release, quality, and content.

When SC is being praised it is the best game ever, more content than any other game out there, so much to do, and works well, CR is a perfectionist! But the moment any criticism is raised ITS ALPHA!

The eternal and perfect shield against any criticism. Perhaps all devs should just now slap an alpha label on their products when releasing buggy unfinished products and declare its the most open development ever!
 
Finally somebody who understands what's really happening.

It's not a scam.

BUT


B I G BUT


It isn't really a 'completed' game either. Make what you will of it, just don't be a white knight or a hater and you'll be fine

You might be surprised to learn that many or even most skeptics dont call it a scam, or at least an intentional one.

Same as there is a difference between skeptic and hater there is the same difference between cultist and hopeful backer. As i said, there are only a few extremists on both sides.

The problem i saw with you initial post here was you focused your ire against the "haters" while addressing everyone in this thread. The majority of us here are far from being foaming at the mouth haters as you described them, and to be honest, that is just fiction anyway. Do you truly believe anyone, even the most rabid detractor is sat at their keyboard, typing furiously, spittle flying, as they denounce CR? If such people truly exist, then their problems go much deeper than SC and they require professional help. Dont despise such people for being angry about a game, feel sympathy for them.
 
Personally, we need a game that doesn't hold anything back. I'm personally sick and tired of seeing games that only do "just enough" for what you can do in it and such. I want a game that's like a blend of Elite: Dangerous, Eve Online, and X4 but better than all of them combined at their best. SC, as of right now, is the only thing I ever heard of that's at least trying. Elite Dangerous can never get better graphics and other things because they have to "hold back" for the consoles. Know what I mean?

Unfortunately you want an everything game. A game that is all things to all people. This is what CIG have been selling. Its also impossible since many features would be mutually incompatible in the same game.

Look at threads discussing PvP vs PvE in relation to SC. Depending on the backer its either going to be a PvP paradise or a PvE paradise, because CIG have told them they both will get what they want.

Some people responded to your comment saying its tecnological limitations stopping you getting what you want. Its not the technology, its the desired gameplay is not possible.

The best games out there dont aim to fulfil all desires of their chosen demographic. They focus on a few core ideas and deliver on that.

If i dare to bring up ED for just a moment, this is one of the areas where ED is weak. It tries to do too many things and to appeal to too many player types, and therefore fails to satisfy many.

CIG has taken this to extreme and insane levels, promising a dream that it is impossible to deliver on. That dream sells JPGs. It does not produce a coherent game though.
 
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