General / Off-Topic Recycle or Die! (the elite environmental thread)

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Rob At Work

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So on reflection the poles have always shifted (this cause the earth to wobble on its axis) and the climate has always been changeable. Sometimes these have extremes - how do you get substantial sea dwelling fossils in the middle of the Sahara Dessert as an example.

The shifting of the poles has increased recently around the same time the climate has become more erratic/extreme and some of you believe this is just a coincidence and it's not a factor, OK.

I agree that in the last century our consumption of resources and the lack of recycling them has probably contributed to the problem, but it is unlikely to be the primary substantial cause some activists would have us believe.
 
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Talarin

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Rob At Work said:
The shifting of the poles has increased recently around the same time the climate has become more erratic/extreme and some of you believe this is just a coincidence and it's not a factor, OK.

I agree that in the last century our consumption of resources and the lack of recycling them has probably contributed to the problem, but it is unlikely to be the primary substantial cause some activists would have us believe.
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Sorry, how have you reached the bolded conclusion? I can't see any way in which mankind has contributed to any change in the Earth's magnetic flux - so I'm curious as to your thinking here.
 

[VR] optimal_909

[VR] optimal_909
Gregg Rulz ok said:
"Maintenant, the adaptability of the humanity is not the goal.

The survival of the nature and the animals is the goal."

That's part of the environment right there.
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While missing the point that humanity has to adapt too, and that is the key issue for all except for extremists that do not mind the loss of billions of lives. This thread features some excellent posts about the problems, it is shame for this garbage.

Perhaps I'm doing it wrong by not ignoring it like the others?
 

lysan

lysan
Magnetic pole shift, sun activity and the chemical composition of the atmosphere, on top of that you got El Niño flux plus more.

It’s complicated, the climate change hoax used by politicians are just a new way to control the population, if they really wanted to do something cleaning the ocean was a good place to start. Also China, India plus many other countries in that region is polluting in a huge amount. India will in a few years take the first place regarding population, it’s an insane rate and that is not sustainable in the long run.
 

Shinji Ikari

Shinji Ikari
Rob At Work said:
So on reflection the poles have always shifted (this cause the earth to wobble on its axis) and the climate has always been changeable. Sometimes these have extremes - how do you get substantial sea dwelling fossils in the middle of the Sahara Dessert as an example.

The shifting of the poles has increased recently around the same time the climate has become more erratic/extreme and some of you believe this is just a coincidence and it's not a factor, OK.

I agree that in the last century our consumption of resources and the lack of recycling them has probably contributed to the problem, but it is unlikely to be the primary substantial cause some activists would have us believe.
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That's good crack-pot you got there.
 

Shinji Ikari

Shinji Ikari
optimal_909 said:
While missing the point that humanity has to adapt too, and that is the key issue for all except for extremists that do not mind the loss of billions of lives. This thread features some excellent posts about the problems, it is shame for this garbage.

Perhaps I'm doing it wrong by not ignoring it like the others?
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Ah I see, you are playing the "you're so evil" card here while ignoring the fact that as it stands, those who accept the consensus are trying and wishing for preventive actions to be made, you know, "adapting" as you and others like to call it.
 

Shinji Ikari

Shinji Ikari
lysan said:
Magnetic pole shift, sun activity and the chemical composition of the atmosphere, on top of that you got El Niño flux plus more.

It’s complicated, the climate change hoax used by politicians are just a new way to control the population...
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What evidence do you have that this is a hoax? Also, the sun has had a rather stable output over the last century, el Niño also has la Niña and we already said the magnetic pole shift has little if anything to do with climate (OFC this includes climate change).

On the hoax thing, how'd parties from all over the worlds with oposite agendas come to agree on this?
 

6xes

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Rob At Work said:
Has any one seen the reports on the record shifts in the magnetic poles. Surely this will have more to do with climate change that a few plastic bags or anything we humans can or cannot influence??

PS I am in agreement with recycling from an efficiency of resources point of view.

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The North Magnetic Pole moves over time due to magnetic changes in Earth's core.[1] In 2001, it was determined by the Geological Survey of Canada to lie west of Ellesmere Island in northern Canada at 81.3°N 110.8°W.[2] It was situated at 83.1°N 117.8°W in 2005. In 2009, while still situated within the Canadian Arctic at 84.9°N 131.0°W,[3] it was moving toward Russia at between 55 and 60 kilometres (34 and 37 mi) per year.[4] As of 2019, the pole is projected to have moved beyond the Canadian Arctic to 86.448°N 175.346°E.[5][3]

The Canadian government has made several measurements, which show that the North Magnetic Pole is moving continually northwestward. In 2001, an expedition located the pole at 81.3°N 110.8°W. In 2007, the latest survey found the pole at 83.95°N 120.72°W.[13] During the 20th century it moved 1100 km, and since 1970 its rate of motion has accelerated from 9 km/year to approximately 52 km/year (2001–2007 average
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It has even been reported that the inuit people(Natives of Canada and Alaska have noted the sun has began rising and setting in 2 different places.... So the theory of the Pole shift is quite correct... as it has again been backed up by many other individuals astrologists and the like...
I believe L A Marzulli did a little doco on it... as it is considered a sign of the times.. as per the bible prophecy...
but hey what do we bible thumpers know about Changes in Climate..afterall were not scientists... *raspberry
 

lysan

lysan
Gregg Rulz ok said:
What evidence do you have that this is a hoax? Also, the sun has had a rather stable output over the last century, el Niño also has la Niña and we already said the magnetic pole shift has little if anything to do with climate (OFC this includes climate change).

On the hoax thing, how'd parties from all over the worlds with oposite agendas come to agree on this?
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There are plenty of evidence, and more and more scientists are admitting it.
However it’s now mainstream to use climate change to restrict people even more. Actually all data show we are moving into a colder period due to the sun cycles combined with the earth magnetic movement.
 

6xes

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if one considers the theory of the pole shift...... the winds, oceans, mountains and the suns heat all have moved geographically ever so slightly... to cause what we see as the changes in climate.
 

Morbad

Morbad
Talarin said:
But either way, if the engagement point for a proposed tipping point is now presumed to be lower than it might have been previously in our geologic history then I'd expect that change to be described and quantified in the literature.
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It's an inherent aspect of any climate model. All of these models and forecasts are taking our current, compounding influence, into account. The uptake of carbon sinks, non-linear relationships between CO2 and temperature increase, the effects of human land use on the production/release of other greenhouse gasses, etc...the current state of all these has to be worked into any future prediction, and are. Applying the same metrics to a different baseline wouldn't work any more than treating compound interest as simple interest in figuring how much stock will be worth in 20 years.

The sort of explicit statement you seem to be looking for will be hard to find because it seems like a given that is implicit in the fundamental nature of any sort of forecasting. Change the starting variables, change any variables, change the outcome. Almost any paper talking about any kind of tipping-point or uncertanties in predictions should make this clear.

You could probably use educational modeling software like EdGCM (download links are all broken, but I'll see if I can find some working one) to see for yourself. It's still fundamentally modern enough to be used as a benchmark for newer models, but simple enough to run on personal computers. Been a while since I toyed with it, but I'm certain you can adjust variables independently to see how they interact. Might be worth plugging in figures for some arbitrary time in the past, leaving out the human stuff, offsetting the temperature and letting it run. May well be newer software out there as well, but that's what came to mind.

Rob At Work said:
So on reflection the poles have always shifted (this cause the earth to wobble on its axis) and the climate has always been changeable.
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Rob At Work said:
The shifting of the poles has increased recently around the same time the climate has become more erratic/extreme and some of you believe this is just a coincidence and it's not a factor, OK.
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I think you are confusing geomagnetic shift with apsidal precession.

We aren't talking about the Earth wobbling on it's axis. Those patterns are well known, extremely predictable, and already well accounted for in any climate model.

The geomagnetic shifts (excursions or outright reversals) do not appreciably change the way the Earth wobbles. They disrupt and occasionally reverse the magnetic poles, not the physical ones.
 

6xes

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This video is one i believe i have posted before in the past...
but if one takes the time to consider the theory posed in this video... and all the simple science/physics behind the events explained in the accounts given during the times of........ this can give you a brief understanding of just how significant both earthquakes and the waters beneath the waters.. affected the very enviroment. we call earth!!!

Source: https://youtu.be/4hhE6tzJR_c
 

Shinji Ikari

Shinji Ikari
lysan said:
There are plenty of evidence, and more and more scientists are admitting it.
However it’s now mainstream to use climate change to restrict people even more. Actually all data show we are moving into a colder period due to the sun cycles combined with the earth magnetic movement.
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What data? What scientists? What restrictions? Mind you, 2018 was the 4th hottest year in recorded history and saying all data shows a movement into a colder period is factually incorrect.
 
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