What to do about Griefers

photomankc

photomankc
Station rammers would get the block from me. I wouldn't call that PvP or emergent gameplay, or what-have-you. Otherwise if I'm in open its a risk. I'll almost assuredly lose to people setup for it but as long as there is something more than murder-hobo to it, it adds to the spice! As mentioned, the stations are unforgiving. Speeding will just get you a talking to until you swap paint with something, then speeding brings the death penalty.
 

kaokao

K
Just deal with. It's the wild west in space. Stop your crying. Go to solo or play something else, something that caters to your thin-skinned sensibilities.
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
Morbad said:
Please stay there, I'd rather not have your block list crap up my CMDR's instancing.
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Thats a myth, blocking only effects the blockers instancing not the blockee's.

Sandro explained it all in this thread :

Lead Designers advice on dealing with griefing (part 2)

If this thread has already made you feel very cross indeed scroll to the bottom and read the disclaimer. I've found the advice of Sandro Sammarco ED's lead designer on the griefing issue from way back in 2014. The block function (which has recently been improved) was developed specifically...
forums.frontier.co.uk forums.frontier.co.uk
 

Nadreck

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Agony_Aunt said:
I'm not sure about the status of docking (and undocking) computers. I seem to recall someone saying it wasn't possible to be penalized if the docking computer is in charge, but i have no idea if this is true or not.
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IIRC, it's true but not very useful. The problem is that you drop out of auto mode when you take damage, so the rammer just has to land one shot on you just before impact. And as the DC ignores the speed limit until you're just in front of the mailslot, you're likely to be speeding when he hits.
 

Just Paul

Just Paul
You broke rule number 1 around stations in open: Don't Speed!!!
Elite's C&P is black and white, no grey areas. You were speeding and the rammer not, therefore in Elite's setting you were the criminal.

There are 5 rules flying close to stations in Elite
1. Don't speed
2. If you see a hollow square or triangle, don't speed
3. Don't speed
4. Don't loiter, the stations don't like that either
and last
5. Don't speed

I switched to open because of all the npc griefers around the stations, anytime I was boosting out the station in the Cutter an npc sidewinder or adder tried to get inside the station, no way to stop the Cutter, and the result is a nice explosion plus a bounty for me. In open I don't boost, because of the 5 rules and more importantly it would be to embarrassing to get stuck in the mail slot in front of other CMDRs.

Don't break the law.
Don't speed around stations.

Be more like this guy and get revenge, that would be another fun story for the forums: Turned Killer!
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
Nadreck said:
IIRC, it's true but not very useful. The problem is that you drop out of auto mode when you take damage, so the rammer just has to land one shot on you just before impact. And as the DC ignores the speed limit until you're just in front of the mailslot, you're likely to be speeding when he hits.
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Note to self: Don't use the DC in open in popular systems.
 

Gully Foyle

Gully Foyle
Cmdr Green Skin said:
I've just been killed by a Griefer and I was sent to jail for trying to run away and breaking the speed limit outside Jameson, whilst he was ramming me?!

I've see them daily now, why do the space police not do anything about it? Are there no consequences for a griefer other than pay a fine? Is there no permanent outlaw status, where all police hunt you down after so many kills outside a space station?

I can't believe this is the way the game is intended, to have effectively immortal psychopaths running around.

Is my only option to go on a private server?
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You can block them from your instances.
Switch to solo to exit/enter
Pester them with hordes of rail vipers with your pals
Dump mines
 

Schmack

Schmack
Agony_Aunt said:
Hey, that sounds like a good plot for a movie. It could be set with the protagonist being scottish being hunted down by a psycopathic russian immortal. It could be called Highlander or something.

Anyway, your three options are to learn to how deal with it, just accept it, or go to PG/solo when around those sorts of locations (Jameson, Engineer bases, etc).

If i understand right though, you were not sent to jail for running away, and he is not immortal. My guess is he is running a weak small ship and as soon as he saw you break the speed limit he rammed you, resulting in his explosion and you being penalized for causing a death.

To be honest, if this is the case, then it is over the line where i would consider it griefing. Its intentionally abusing game mechanics to cause another player problems.

The way to deal with this is to simply keep your speed below 100. Not just below, i mean quite a bit below. If you are just below they could give you a speed boost as they hit you. If they blow up while you are below 100, it shouldn't penalize you (in theory, i don't know about the reality... if it does though, raise an incident every time it happens to push FD into fixing it).

I'm not sure about the status of docking (and undocking) computers. I seem to recall someone saying it wasn't possible to be penalized if the docking computer is in charge, but i have no idea if this is true or not.

Anyway, drop your speed to around 70 when around these areas and keep it steady until you clear the no fire zone unless you are sure there is nobody around who wants to cause you problems. Be aware, some use silent running to stay off the radar, so before going faster, just use the external camera to take a gander around your ship and look for thruster trails.

Hope that helps.

Also, report the CMDR that is doing this to FD if you think its griefing. FD can then decide whether it is or not.
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It's odd there would be a sequel to Highlander since there can be only one. Christopher Lambert is the only real Highlander and Raiden, all others are imposters.
 

Gully Foyle

Gully Foyle
Brrokk said:
Just a thought: I'd see station ramming where he panicked you into increasing speed as an unintended use of a game mechanic. In other words, an exploit. If OP submits a ticket to FD I expect they will refund his rebuy credits.
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So if one of these Fredos shouts boo and he panics isn't that strategy and well within the rules of the game?
It's developmentally handicapped but still legal.
 

Brrokk

Brrokk
Gully_Foyle said:
So if one of these Fredos shouts boo and he panics isn't that strategy and well within the rules of the game?
It's developmentally handicapped but still legal.
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I think it's obvious that deliberately getting your own ship destroyed is unintended use of the game mechanic. It doesn't matter what we think though; FD would decide if OP requests a credit refund.
 

Maolagin

M
JohnRoberts said:
I usually play in Open, and barely ever see other Cmdrs, and 99.9% of the time either we don't interact or a friendly "o7" is exchanged. There is exactly one place were I drop to a private group before venturing, and that's Shinrarta Dezhra. If I'm going there, its for outfitting, and I don't need any hassle. Cmdrs in that system with other intentions are free to do what they want without judgement from me, so long as we all understand they'll never actually see me there.
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Maybe also Deciat and Sol, especially times like now when there isn't a CG or other big event going on. But of those, Sol is the only one you'd visit just for the sightseeing. I don't really understand all the folks who keep their fleets parked at Jameson. Seems like more trouble than it's worth. It's really better to live in the galaxy's top PvP viper pit than risk occasionally rubbing elbows with a less than Elite pilot?
 
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