Do players still get the entire pack of paint jobs with a purchase? If not then paint jobs just went up about 6 fold.

[sollisb]

From my thread here


Original Reddit Post by CMDR DNB321 (scroll down for copy pasta)

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/d9u7zu

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/d9u7zu/actual_gbp_usd_arx_cost_pricing_of_items/


Full copy pasta for easier reading if the above embedded-link doesn't display correctly....

Ok so I used google's cache to find prices from the other week before the patch hit for a good number of items (mostly ones I'm personally interested in), as I've recently come back into the game and wanted to make my ships more customized now they they are fitted.

I took the average price of ARX based from here to use in the tables above, as you'll likely end up buying a big pack and a smaller one.

So for the price for items I was only able to find them as GBP on google cache. PP = Paypal conversion shopping @ GBP but paying in USD and includes PayPal's fees... still cheaper overall to do it that way than paying directly with USD, especially for the 51000 (54000 with bonus) pack as its about $5 cheaper than USD direct.

As you can see, the packs marked with * don't exist in the store anymore so are now far more expensive to buy all the colors, but cheaper if you just wanted one or two of them as they are sold individually. The Tactical skins are cheaper now however, so not sure whats going on with that. Also some skins such as Tactical Ice and Military Black one are missing from the store currently, so those might be even more expensive as they were likely the most popular ones in their categories. Should be overall better for most people since they are individually priced now though

The Solar System bobble heads doubled in price as they are now only individually purchased but far more expensive per item.

Weapon and Engine colors are ~15% more expensive now as well.

For most other bobblehead / decals and such the prices should be the same as other items in the list, I just picked ones I was able to verify on both google cache and the store and they have the same pricing for most items.


Big thanks to CMDR DNB321 on Reddit for their informative research o7

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So anyway, hope this clears up misinformation that I've seen out there and if I did miscalculate anything please let me know.

Stuart, the table is being selective.

Let's take the first item, the cutter kit. And assume a starting point of 0 arx.

It used to cost 8GP now it costs 9.59GP

Yes, I know you have some arx left over, but it's not real. My 9.59 was real cash which is now in frontiers pockets. I can't go any use my arx in the shops. If I never bought another item, I have lost. It has cost me more to buy with arx than cash. My assertion all along is that frontier have done this to get more cash and leave players with funny money they cannot use anywhere else.

Further, I have already asked once and received no reply, but, where are the terms and conditions surrounding this funny money?

 

[sollisb]

You going to be long on that high horse?

Above you, that's all that matters

 

[Vandaahl]

You going to be long on that high horse?

Whats with all the horses in this thread
I hate inside humor!

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

The way I see it, there are two types of people in this: those who have enough impulse control to not put their livelihood at risk over internet space pixels, and those who don't. If you're the former, by definition the impact of ARX as a scheme to obfuscate costs and exploit your FOMO is negligible (video games are a luxury, at the end of the day it hardly matters whether one company gets all your disposable income through their devious schemes, as long as they don't start tapping into your living expenses).
If you're the latter, considering you live in a world where every company tries to obfuscate costs and exploit your FOMO, chances are your efforts would be better spent seeking help with that impulse control problem. Or if you want to tilt at windmills, pick a better target, like the pharmaceutical industry, the big food conglomerates or your local politicians.

The reality is probably this..

Arx of course was a business design attempt to subtly increase the player milking out of cosmetics. About the same feeling and result as food price inflation.

The only problem is frontiers performance with the game development pillar has been so sub par that the motion is getting subconsciously rejected quite strongly.

Make an imaginary scenario where frontier only delighted with patches (free or paid). Lots of bug fixes, bonus quality of life, meaningful features resulting in a positive smile like we’re getting stuff in the game. I think people would let arx slide if this was the reality.

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

Above you, that's all that matters

You know, I had to fix your post to quote it. You put your words in the wrong place. It is quite confusing. There should be a user guide.

 

[sollisb]

You know, I had to fix your post to quote it. You put your words in the wrong place. It is quite confusing. There should be a user guide.

Did you get your mommy to help you?

 

[Oldviboy]

You're wrong. here's a test for you... How much is one arx? if you buy more more arx, the items get cheaper (not a lot) but cheaper, therefore the costs in and of themselves are simply made up. The ship paint jobs are no more difficult now than then nor are they time consuming. Why do you think they actually went to all the trouble of creating this funny money thing, when even Microsoft themselves and xbox are moving away from funny money to real cash? Because they make more form the fools who are easily parted with their cash and pay no attention to the actual costs. meanwhile it's cash in the bank for frontier and funny money for the buyers.

quick math :
I bought the package of 26,800 arx = 16 euros
1 euro = 1675 arx
620 arx = around 0.35 cents, x 6 = 2.10 euros (3,50 before)
1250 arx X 6=7500 arx= around 4 euros(3,50 before,ok but i dont need all pack)
13.550 ship kits= around 8 euros(9-10 before)and some are still cheaper than that


What I mean is that everything is well compensated, do not worry about that ... I also saw a bit of malice in the odd product, like earth,but I guess it will be on demand ,or what most players use,like earth,maybe it's just a mistake as happened with the colors of lasers and engines....

but god, I only see advantages, now I can fill my cabin with my sad thargo booblehead, not before!


Couldn't you see the positive after this? then i can't do anything ....

from the moment that all the video games created the microtransactions, the scam began, not by the ARX ,but at least the frontier thing is justified

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

Another huge factor is how much a player has spent in the past. It’s easy for players who have never spent on cosmetics to pick up the rusty knight armour as of course, the years of frontiers past patches are still earning the goodwill for these people. This is natural and right.

If you have spent on cosmetics though, over time the spend eats into this goodwill and to everyone’s personal measure the same years of patches will be consumed quicker than the people who are white knighting still. This is also natural and right.

People should make a coloured scale based on how much they have spent on cosmetics to their own personal measure (a hundred on cosmetics means different things to different people) so get where people are coming from.

 

[krautbernd]

Stuart, the table is being selective.

Let's take the first item, the cutter kit. And assume a starting point of 0 arx.

It used to cost 8GP now it costs 9.59GP

It doesn't though, actually. If you buy 5000 (2.99) + 8400 (4,99) you actually get 13820 (because of the bonus) - enough to buy the kit and have some arx leftover. So it actually costs 7.98, not 8.00.

Unless my math here is totally wrong.

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

Did you get your mommy to help you?

Pictures of Horse Spaceships are low brow, Mommy jokes are high brow. Got it. Thanks.

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

Whats with all the horses in this thread
I hate inside humor!

OP had said this in a now edited then deleted response.

 

[Lateralus]

Shut up everyone and BUY ARX!

 

[Kaocraft]

It's super easy to check the ARX prices of paintjobs from the ingame store. Here is a list I gathered (all for individual paintjobs):
620
1260
1820
2220
3250
The most common prices seem to be 620 and 1820. Funny that the OP "randomly" picked the most expensive one of 3250 as the screenshot.

This means for every 2 weeks of play (2 x 400 cap) you get one costing 620 for free.

Yeah except I’ve got like 140 Arx after 3 weeks of play. Nobody is going to consistently get 400/week without making themselves miserable.

 

[Vandaahl]

OP had said this in a now edited then deleted response. View attachment 146732

Yeah, I know I was there this afternoon. Are those other horses than white knights rode in on btw?
N/m got it now Wasn't familiar with the phrase.

 

[sollisb]

quick math :
I bought the package of 26,800 arx = 16 euros
1 euro = 1675 arx
620 arx = around 0.35 cents, x 6 = 2.10 euros (3,50 before)
1250 arx X 6=7500 arx= around 4 euros(3,50 before,ok but i dont need all pack)
13.550 ship kits= around 8 euros(9-10 before)and some are still cheaper than that


What I mean is that everything is well compensated, do not worry about that ... I also saw a bit of malice in the odd product, but I guess it will be on demand ,or what most players use,like hearth,maybe it's just a mistake as happened with the colors of lasers and engines....

but god, I only see advantages, now I can fill my cabin with my sad thargo booblehead, not before!


Couldn't you see the positive after this? then i can't do anything ....

from the moment that all the video games created the microtransactions, the scam began, not by the ARX ,but at least the frontier thing is justified

firstly, good comment

I'm not for one second saying you do not see advantages. I however do not. I see a scam, Frontier get the cash up front and the player is left with items and funny money. That means the player is paying more than they used to.

Like I asked before, where are the terms and conditions? And why at this late stage, is frontier going down this road when the likes of Microsoft are reversing and going the cash only route? It's because it's easy money for frontier. And without terms and conditions, they can stop selling arx tomorrow, and leave every player that bought them, high and dry with no avenue of recompense.

It's sure money, you earned it, you give it to whomever you please

 

[krautbernd]

firstly, good comment

I'm not for one second saying you do not see advantages. I however do not. I see a scam, Frontier get the cash up front and the player is left with items and funny money. That means the player is paying more than they used to.

Like I asked before, where are the terms and conditions? And why at this late stage, is frontier going down this road when the likes of Microsoft are reversing and going the cash only route? It's because it's easy money for frontier. And without terms and conditions, they can stop selling arx tomorrow, and leave every player that bought them, high and dry with no avenue of recompense.

It's sure money, you earned it, you give it to whomever you please

Look at the previous page. You wrongly quoted a ship kit as costing more with arx when it actually costs less.

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

Yeah, I know I was there this afternoon. Are those other horses than white knights rode in on btw?

I don’t know. It’s getting quite hard to keep track of all the horses plus my maths has gone to the dogs.

 

[Oldviboy]

And without terms and conditions, they can stop selling arx tomorrow, and leave every player that bought them, high and dry with no avenue of recompense.

It's sure money, you earned it, you give it to whomever you please

we can't enjoy everything forever ... I literally have a large cardboard box full of old games and dlcs that I will never use again, and I paid for many

I won't tell you about everything else I got for free from the microtransactions

 

[Old Duck]

So what's this thread about? I'm late to the party and too tired to read a EULA-length OP.

 

[sollisb]

Oh stop flirting if you're interested just ask them out for a drink.

I don't with unde

It doesn't though, actually. If you buy 5000 (2.99) + 8400 (4,99) you actually get 13820 (because of the bonus) - enough to buy the kit and have some arx leftover. So it actually costs 7.98, not 8.00.

Unless my math here is totally wrong.

Okay, I'm not sure on this. Is the 8400 including the bonus or is the bonus on top of that? It's not exactly clear.