The ADS

[lenna]

Dunno about that. All i see is the killjoys ganging up on rlsg

That is giving them too much credit...

 

[Ezren]

No more than you are.

You may not have said "revisionist history" personally, but you were reacting to a post opposing the claim. You need only search the forums to find the truth of the matter.

I only need to click on the quoted post to follow what I replied to in order to show that the truth of the matter is that you're speaking nonsense.

I clearly said that I liked the FSS, and some simple reasons why. You just keep bawling about the FSS and can't make a coherent point.

 

[Ezren]

Dunno about that. All i see is the killjoys ganging up on rlsg

A lot of people disagreeing with you certainly makes it mystifying for you to continue to pretend that yours is the opinion that everyone else holds.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Would love to know the truth of this, do the numbers show that exploration has taken a sudden dive? There are alot of just random comments around by names i dont recognise moaning about how the FSS ruined the game and fdev never listen. facebook, steam, youtube... etc. Either way, the common sense approach would suggest just letting both sides of this argument have what they want.

As far as I know there has been no dive in exploration and the exploration forum seems to be very busy.

I see very few posts on reddit, Facebook or Twitter like what you are describing. They seem to be exceedingly rare.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Dunno about that. All i see is the killjoys ganging up on rlsg

Calling out lies, assumptions and insults is now ganging up. Nice one.

 

[lenna]

I only need to click on the quoted post to follow what I replied to in order to show that the truth of the matter is that you're speaking nonsense.

I clearly said that I liked the FSS, and some simple reasons why. You just keep bawling about the FSS and can't make a coherent point.

This is not about your personal likes or dislikes, it is about how FD ultimately screwed up in a big way.

The flaws in the FSS have been explained and discussed in precise detail numerous times - FD just need to revisit the feedback they had on it during the Beta.

It is "revisionist history" to claim FD did not have lots of constructive suggestions on how the exploration mechanics could have been expanded on - they just chose to ignore it and listened to the AHWs instead.

 

[Burke]

A lot of people disagreeing with you certainly makes it mystifying for you to continue to pretend that yours is the opinion that everyone else holds.

Some agree others dont. I would stick my neck out and harazrd a guess that if it was possible to count every individual post one way or the other just on these forums then i think really quite alot more people cant stand the FSS. They tend to post once tho and never again.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

People complaied for years that exploration was just honk and jump. They said FD should add gameplay to discovery. Some hardcore players wanted discover only via parallax!

FD listened and gave what they thought people wanted, not just honk and jump but actual scanning mechanism to discover stuff.

In short, be careful what you ask FD for, you might just get it.

LOL, that doesn't imply the disapearance of the ADS or rather its functionality.

 

[Burke]

They seem to be exceedingly rare.

Well they arnt max. There is a chorus of complaints about all kinds of things and at least as many people seem to want to praise everything blindly. There are lots of FSS complaints, if you want to see some you might start with the exploration update youtube i posted recently (maybe even in this thread)

Edit: There was one particulalry amusing facebook comment "abandon all hope of meaningful content ye who enter here" I did laugh.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

I'm not going to participate in this thread anymore but will still going to silently read it - for the science! It's interesting to watch how you suck up all negative posts that fit your agenda while at the same time ignoring all positives. A prime example of how echo chambers are build upon.
Be my lab rat, Burke!

14 posts later...

 

[IndigoWyrd]

Takes a big man to do the right thing, to own your mistake and say "yeah ok, i understand it was rather hasty to just cast off the existing explorers"

Its not about blackmail its about doing the right thing. I know a good name doesnt mean alot but dont frontier even care a little bit about their reputation? Its fair to say they are well known for not listening and often getting things wrong. Challenge that perception.

Sherman, set the Wayback Machine for Ancient Rome....

Lucretius: "Quod ali cibus est aliis fuat acre venenum."

Or better known to the leyfolk: "What is food for one man may be bitter poison to others "

Your "food" (the ADS) is my "poison" (tedium ad nauseum).

You feel the same in reverse. But those like me outnumber those like you, thus, as it has been, and should always be, from this moment, until the end of time, the Majority has won out. The Needs of the Many Outweigh the Needs of the Few, or the One.

Yep, it's Not Fair, if you're the minority. But that's life. Life isn't about Fair. The sooner the world embraces this concept the better it will be for everyone, including the Minority.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

The offer of a compromise is not a real offer when it is entirely unnecessary.
Certainly in this case, it is purely a debating point coming from those who wouldn't even use the ADS if it was there with limited functionality or not.

It's complete and utter trash-talk and nothing else - reducing the argument to black and white, either / or nonsense.

For the record, almost everyone who wants the ADS back also spent years waiting patiently (and sometimes not so patiently) for improved exploration mechanics.
That is why the backlash against the removal of the ADS is so strong and won't just fade away.
It's not because the FSS is terrible in its own right (although many think that way), it's because it does not adequately replace the ADS and has in fact made the exploration mechanics worse for many explorers.

We gave FD the benefit of the doubt time and time again, waited for Chapter 4, and got totally kicked in the nuts.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

I have nothing against expansion of the FSS. I already said that.

Excellent news, we can expand the FSS so that we get the system layout after the initial honk /thread.

 

[Burke]

I could agree to that.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

It implies exactly that: the ADS is more of an insult like anything else. Strange you like it...

Nope, we asked for better exploration mechanics, given the persistence and amount of complains, that's not the case.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

This is not about your personal likes or dislikes, it is about how FD ultimately screwed up in a big way.

That's a subjective opinion.

The flaws in the FSS have been explained and discussed in precise detail numerous times - FD just need to revisit the feedback they had on it during the Beta.

Another subjective opinion.

It is "revisionist history" to claim FD did not have lots of constructive suggestions on how the exploration mechanics could have been expanded on - they just chose to ignore it and listened to the AHWs instead.

And they acted on some of the constructive feedback. What they didn't do before is bow down to the people wanting the ADS back which isn't constructive feedback.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Otherwise you won't have to say anything substantially at all. How about saying "thank you"?!

The shorter the better.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Well they arnt max. There is a chorus of complaints about all kinds of things and at least as many people seem to want to praise everything blindly. There are lots of FSS complaints, if you want to see some you might start with the exploration update youtube i posted recently (maybe even in this thread)

Edit: There was one particulalry amusing facebook comment "abandon all hope of meaningful content ye who enter here" I did laugh.

No there are not. Actually there are lots of complaints, but mainly from the exact same people.

As to meaningful content I can't believe that anyone could say that the old way was meaningful in any shape or form. If you think it was then you are being delusional.

 

[Ezren]

This is not about your personal likes or dislikes, it is about how FD ultimately screwed up in a big way.

The flaws in the FSS have been explained and discussed in precise detail numerous times - FD just need to revisit the feedback they had on it during the Beta.

It is "revisionist history" to claim FD did not have lots of constructive suggestions on how the exploration mechanics could have been expanded on - they just chose to ignore it and listened to the AHWs instead.

This isn't an argument. This is you just repeating yourself, over and over. You aren't making points. You aren't presenting a position. You aren't comparing anything, or pointing to anything real, you're just making noise in the forum and pointing a frowny face at the FSS.

Your stance is that you want what you want. You can't see past your own opinion to anyone else's points, you don't care about anything but your precious opinion, and you can't formulate a thought beyond "I'm right and everyone who doesn't agree with me is wrong", in the face of all the people disagreeing with you.

I liked the FSS before, as I said, it gave some active engagement to exploration and put an interesting mini-game into the loop. But now that I know that you don't like it, I like it even more.

 

[biot]

I remember my first ADS/FSS thread. In danger of being overwhelmed by curiosity and apprehension I dived in and found myself fumbling around a lot. Nevertheless I look back on that time with wistful fondness; it was one of those rites of passage on the way to manhood.

But now ... I dunno, after so many times I'm finding the magic is gone and it's all a bit routine. It just seems more like a matter of going through the motions now. The original elan is absent. I wonder if I should wear an outfit or something to spice the experience up a bit. Or try another thread. Confused and conflicted.