The ADS

[GJ51]

Already been mentioned. It's a logic fail. If you know the exact coordinates of every planet, why would you be required to search for them all over again in the FSS. It makes no logical sense.

Been beaten to death

No one need look at the Honk pics if they don't want to

Both factions could have gotten what they want - choice

The only difference between Honk/FSS and the ADS/Sys Map is the time it takes. You see the same thing. It's Squiggles v Pics

If I honk, open FSS see an ELW to get the pic or ADS open Sys Map then investigate likely target It all amounts to the same thing.

It's just a matter of style preference

That and some players who want everyone to play it their way.

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

For me that would kill the FSS. It would make little to zero sense. If the ADS has discovered the exact co-ordinates of every object in the system which are targetable, why would you have to use the FSS to discover them all over again to get the information. It makes little to no sense to me.

I would be fine with black orbs for the main planets in the system map which are untargetable though after a honk and with nothing targetable in the nav panel. That I can live with and get behind. But anything more runs the risk of destroying what the FSS is all about in my view.

Wrong. There are people who hated the ADS from day one, are at least as long with the game as you and were at least as many as the FSS haters now. They just didn't flood the forums with endless repetitive moaning, that's the difference. And why I slowly get the crisis when I see all you sick folks fighting windmills day by day, over and over again... I feel twisted between pity and disgusted.

Sorry for coming back, but your perceived entitlement just can't be left undisputed.

Why did you call my other post a load of gosh?

Max factor again threw out his inability to pretend as justification for other people being tangibly compromised.

You just said you’ve always hated it as also a reason to be compromised.

I think what you meant was my other post was quite on the mark.

For any people here just for the drama (or the community team at frontier) can you see why the white knights have made this completely insane?

 

[Ezren]

He's a troll, agreed. But a creative one. I somehow like these small skirmishes, keeps my blood pressure up.

I like to argue more than I probably should, but it's never an argument with that one. It's just a single-sentence comment on one out-of-context thing said. No engagement.

As for the ADS, outside of the very narrow context of GGGs not being super easier to find, is there anything that made the ADS good? I see so much "FSS is bad" rhetoric and I can't help but think it's all surrounding the fact that the FSS is more than a button press. And yes, it's one button press, jumping to another system is not a function of the ADS, what a ridiculous argument that is.

 

[Burke]

And yes, it's one button press, jumping to another system is not a function of the ADS, what a ridiculous argument that is.

Actually you said exploration was a one button job. Jumping is part of exploration, exploration in system is only a one button job if you dont actually explore.

 

[Thatchinho]

Been beaten to death

No one need look at the Honk pics if they don't want to

Both factions could have gotten what they want - choice

The only difference between Honk/FSS and the ADS/Sys Map is that is the time it takes. You see the same thing. It's Squiggles v Pics

If I honk, open FSS see an ELW to get the pic or ADS open Sys Map then investigate likely target It all amounts to the same thing.

It's just a matter of style preference

That and some players who want everyone to play it their way.

"The only difference between Honk/FSS and the ADS/Sys Map is that is the time it takes. You see the same thing. It's Squiggles v Pics"

I'm sorry, but that isn't correct.

The FSS reveals the presence of surface POIs. The ADS doesn't. It is a huge difference - though not for someone who has no interest in POIs of course.

It also allows you to resolve USSs from a distance so you know what they are, and where/how far away they are. Again the ADS doesn't. Another big difference, though not for someone who has no interest in USS's.

Also it will reveal orbital POIs which the ADS does not detect and the normal scanners only pick up if within 1,000 ls - again potentially a big difference.


Those 3 things above are also a key means by which people find things which reveal more about what has gone on and is going on in the galaxy. That's crucial given the nature of how we players fit into the galaxy and the nature of that galaxy - in the context, it's a key story delivery mechanism.

 

[Burke]

"The only difference between Honk/FSS and the ADS/Sys Map is that is the time it takes. You see the same thing. It's Squiggles v Pics"

I'm sorry, but that isn't correct.

The FSS reveals the presence of surface POIs. The ADS doesn't. It is a huge difference - though not for someone who has no interest in POIs of course.

It also allows you to resolve USSs from a distance so you know what they are, and where/how far away they are. Again the ADS doesn't. Another big difference, though not for someone who has no interest in USS's.

Also it will reveal orbital POIs which the ADS does not detect and the normal scanners only pick up if within 1,000 ls - again potentially a big difference.


Those 3 things above are also a key means by which people find things which reveal more about what has gone on and is going on in the galaxy. That's crucial given the nature of how we players fit into the galaxy and the nature of that galaxy - in the context, it's a key story delivery mechanism.

There were no USS in deep space last i looked, but as for planet surface POI i think they ought to reveal if you fly out there and scan it up close. Which many ADS explorers would do, i know i would.

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

No there are not. Actually there are lots of complaints, but mainly from the exact same people.

As to meaningful content I can't believe that anyone could say that the old way was meaningful in any shape or form. If you think it was then you are being delusional.

No you're lieing. I hate you accuse you, but you call other people far worse.

Now that we can, go count up all the unique approvals in prior threads and see that indeed there are many randoms who come in, feel the same and leave. Even this thread, notice how you're white knighting with about 4 people that have never picked up the baton before?

If you must see that the "same people" is actually you and pico continuing to get bothered by suggestion of compromise... because you can't pretend.... and video game spite...

 

[Burke]

I would like your post twice if i could Karrde

 

[Ezren]

Actually you said exploration was a one button job. Jumping is part of exploration, exploration in system is only a one button job if you dont actually explore.

You've gone from outright lying, to strawman arguments, to this insipid pedantry. You trying to ridiculously conflate use of the FSD with exploration mechanics at the core of discussion is frankly childish.

This discussion is about the ADS and the FSS. The ADS was a one-button mechanic. You're trying to move the context around so you can rummage up a response, continually declaring yourself "right" instead of saying anything coherent.

All you have done is prove that you do not have an opinion worth considering on this topic.

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

I know, but as I said in my post, I can't see FDev adding an option that allows you to completely bypass the FSS. I honestly think the best thing to do is to ask for changes with the FSS to make it better for your style of exploration.

But the fss is so crap. Here's my compromise. If they made a smartphone interface for it and it consumed arx per godmode / every time i used it to get out playing the game i would admit its more appropriate.

 

[Ezren]

No you're lieing. I hate you accuse you, but you call other people far worse.

Now that we can, go count up all the unique approvals in prior what are you doing threads and see that indeed there are many randoms who come in, feel the same and leave. Even this thread, notice how you're white knighting with about 4 people that have never picked up the baton before?

If you must see that the "same people" is actually you and pico continuing to get bothered by suggestion of compromise... because you can't pretend.... and video game spite...

If you're going to accuse somebody else of lying, the burden of proof falls on you, not him, to go and substantiate your claim.

Your insistence on using the term "white knight" tells me that you're going to lean on forum slurs more than a reasoned (or coherent) response. Is your claim that he's wrong because other people agree with him?

 

[GJ51]

"The only difference between Honk/FSS and the ADS/Sys Map is that is the time it takes. You see the same thing. It's Squiggles v Pics"

I'm sorry, but that isn't correct.

The FSS reveals the presence of surface POIs. The ADS doesn't. It is a huge difference - though not for someone who has no interest in POIs of course.

It also allows you to resolve USSs from a distance so you know what they are, and where/how far away they are. Again the ADS doesn't. Another big difference, though not for someone who has no interest in USS's.

Also it will reveal orbital POIs which the ADS does not detect and the normal scanners only pick up if within 1,000 ls - again potentially a big difference.


Those 3 things above are also a key means by which people find things which reveal more about what has gone on and is going on in the galaxy. That's crucial given the nature of how we players fit into the galaxy and the nature of that galaxy - in the context, it's a key story delivery mechanism.

Thank you for making my point - didn't expect that.

So the ADS overview wouldn't give you the same information as the FSS - but would allow you to decide if a system was worth further investigation.

I guess we're in agreement.

 

[GJ51]

... game consistence ...

Now that's a good one

 

[Ezren]

But the fss is so crap. Here's my compromise. If they made a smartphone interface for it and it consumed arx per godmode / every time i used it to get out playing the game i would admit its more appropriate.

So Max suggesting a compromise, which you just told him he was incapable of, and instead of addressing what he said in any way, you just say something completely independent.

You literally just said he couldn't compromise, but then instead of you compromising, you say "but the fss is so crap".

 

[Shinji Ikari]

No, I was responding to you. Directly. I edited it because I decided I didn't want to even bother.

I know you have not made an argument. You just comment on responses, not contribute.

My comment was on marx lol, you are confused.

 

[GJ51]

Upon reflection

Adding the FSS as a depth enhancement to the ADS would have ADDED to ED and not bifurcated the community

What in the Galaxy is so hard to understand?

Use one or the other or both or neither at your discretion

Whatever you decide has NO IMPACT on any other player given the number of unexplored systems.

What am I and others missing???

Especially compared to how many of the old guard dedicated explorers seem to have fallen by the wayside since the ADS was eliminated.

Where oh where is Allitnil???

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Max disagrees with what exactly? That the positions are already known? The point of my post was that WE know nothing at this point, only the internal mechanics do. Don't confound the two things.

But the FSS does know... And no, that's not the disagreement, my point was it was relevant given he's the one who cares, it's been an excuse of his to not bring back the ADS for a long time.

 

[Burke]

Upon reflection

All that was needed was things to find. Rare things. Take a game like diablo2. Some things you could play for years and the game would never drop them for you. So it should have been with exploration. Things to find, some common some rare. And very very occasionally something really special that might even be a one in a galaxy find.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

I like to argue more than I probably should, but it's never an argument with that one. It's just a single-sentence comment on one out-of-context thing said. No engagement.

As for the ADS, outside of the very narrow context of GGGs not being super easier to find, is there anything that made the ADS good? I see so much "FSS is bad" rhetoric and I can't help but think it's all surrounding the fact that the FSS is more than a button press. And yes, it's one button press, jumping to another system is not a function of the ADS, what a ridiculous argument that is.

Pink gas giants and really, textures in general can only be seen now after the usage of the FSS.

 

[Mohrgan]

Upon reflection

Adding the FSS as a depth enhancement to the ADS would have ADDED to ED and not bifurcated the community

What in the Galaxy is so hard to understand?

How would you keep the new discovery playing field even? If everyone doesn't have the same requirements, wouldn't everyone just drop on the fastest way, rather than the way they would normally play?