General / Off-Topic Joker. ( I think DC nailed it! )

jasonbarron

jasonbarron
Morbad said:
Not sure where your getting that from.

The core definition of hero, long before it was an English word, even before there was an English Language, always had more to do with courage and magnitude of accomplishment than more modern virtues. The definition of hero I'm referencing allows for heroes like Achilles, or Audie Murphy.
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Don't forget Darth Vader.
 

Morbad

Morbad
jasonbarron said:
Don't forget Darth Vader.
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He does fit the whole "killed a crap ton of OPFOR while facing personal danger" that is the unifying theme behind the disparate ideals of classical heroics. I wouldn't personally consider him a hero, at least not until he kills the Emperor, as, until that point, he's an archetypal servant of orthodoxy and symbol of corrupt authority...but it's hard to imagine him not being seen as a hero by most loyal Imperials.
 

jasonbarron

jasonbarron
Morbad said:
He does fit the whole "killed a crap ton of OPFOR while facing personal danger" that is the unifying theme behind the disparate ideals of classical heroics. I wouldn't personally consider him a hero, at least not until he kills the Emperor, as, until that point, he's an archetypal servant of orthodoxy and symbol of corrupt authority...but it's hard to imagine him not being seen as a hero by most loyal Imperials.
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I just thought I'd put that out there since you turned a serial murderer and criminal into a superhero. Figured we could add Hannibal Lecter to the list while we were at it.
 

Morbad

Morbad
jasonbarron said:
I just thought I'd put that out there since you turned a serial murderer and criminal into a superhero.
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Well, I certainly can't take credit for the Joker's heroic qualities, but I will point out that quite a few less controversial heroes are criminals and murderers.

jasonbarron said:
Figured we could add Hannibal Lecter to the list while we were at it.
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He fits too. Phenomenally adept at killing his enemies; most of whom were asking for it (revenge being a prime motive for many real and literary 'heroes'), were otherwise scum, or were clear threats to himself (making their deaths self-defense)... though there were certainly some relatively innocent people in his body count (most of them during his Chesapeake Ripper phase); and was more than willing to put his safety on the line while doing so.
 

[PS4] Filthymick420

[PS4] Filthymick420
Morbad said:
Well, I certainly can't take credit for the Joker's heroic qualities, but I will point out that quite a few less controversial heroes are criminals and murderers.



He fits too. Phenomenally adept at killing his enemies; most of whom were asking for it (revenge being a prime motive for many real and literary 'heroes'), were otherwise scum, or were clear threats to himself (making their deaths self-defense)... though there were certainly some relatively innocent people in his body count (most of them during his Chesapeake Ripper phase); and was more than willing to put his safety on the line while doing so.
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If DC tries to make a psychotic murderer a hero, we rage out.
If marvel makes a psychotic murderer into a hero, DEADPOOL!

Marvel just does things RIGHT and DC is LEFT behind
 

jasonbarron

jasonbarron
Morbad said:
Well, I certainly can't take credit for the Joker's heroic qualities, but I will point out that quite a few less controversial heroes are criminals and murderers.



He fits too. Phenomenally adept at killing his enemies; most of whom were asking for it (revenge being a prime motive for many real and literary 'heroes'), were otherwise scum, or were clear threats to himself (making their deaths self-defense)... though there were certainly some relatively innocent people in his body count (most of them during his Chesapeake Ripper phase); and was more than willing to put his safety on the line while doing so.
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So edgy.
 

Robin of Spiritwood

Robin of Spiritwood
Filthymick420 said:
If DC tries to make a psychotic murderer a hero, we rage out.
If marvel makes a psychotic murderer into a hero, DEADPOOL!

Marvel just does things RIGHT and DC is LEFT behind
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Honestly.

Marvel: "We are casting Ryan Gosling, as a talking raccoon, and Vin Diesel, as a tree with just one line."
Fans: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

DC: "We are recasting Batman! We have the perfect man: Ben Affleck!"
Fans:
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DC: "No, wait wait, we were Kidding! The real Batman is .... Robert Pattinson!"
Fans:
:
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DC: "Awright, look, we'll do the Joker! The Joker!! He's gonna be great, we got Joaquin, Joaquin Phoenix!!"

Fans:"Hey, that looks kinda good- "

DC: "-- But it's a one off, and has nothing to do with Batman!"

LOL

Marvel's version of a One-off:
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLDetN3theY
 
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[PS4] Filthymick420

[PS4] Filthymick420
Robin of Spiritwood said:
Honestly.

Marvel: "We are casting Ryan Gosling, as a talking raccoon, and Vin Diesel, as a tree with just one line."
Fans: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

DC: "We are recasting Batman! We have the perfect man: Ben Affleck!"
Fans:
giphy.gif


DC: "No, wait wait, we were Kidding! The real Batman is .... Robert Pattinson!"
Fans:
:
giphy.gif


DC: "Awright, look, we'll do the Joker! The Joker!! He's gonna be great, we got Joaquin, Joaquin Phoenix!!"

Fans:"Hey, that looks kinda good- "

DC: "-- But it's a one off, and has nothing to do with Batman!"

LOL

Marvel's version of a One-off:
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLDetN3theY
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Bradley Cooper is the voice of Rocket. Ryan Gosling, you're silly
 

lysan

lysan
The movie is pretty good after today’s standards, the character is complex, the story is interesting, I like it, but he is not a hero, just a misused and disturbed person who drifts deeper and deeper into madness.
 
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