The ADS
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There are two answers to this:
1. The fact that the replacement of the ADS with the FSS has been extremely detrimental to a range of exploration styles, with the result that players whose primary gameplay was exploration prior to v3.3 are no longer exploring, and in some cases no longer playing.
We KNOW FDev are ignoring this, because they told us that they have no plans to significantly alter exploration gameplay.
Whether this is a good decision is a matter of opinion.
There is also the fact that many players have requested enhancements/modifications to the FSS to improve the experience - but the FDev response implies that those things are also not on the radar.
2. The fact that exploration beyond the mechanics of scanning a system remains a very shallow experience. There is minimal interaction with the things we discover by exploring and with the exception of a few specific types of object, everything that can be found in the game can be found within 1,000 LY of Sol. This issue has been raised repeatedly by both pro-ADS and pro-FSS players and there has, as far as I'm aware, been no comment from FDev on the subject. Now it's possible that FDev have great plans for continuing to develop exploration beyond what it is now, but unless the 'new era' is atmospheric landings that seems unlikely. Indeed, even if it is, there's nothing to suggest that atmospheric planets will have anything more than a different set of POIs to sometimes interact with.
All-in-all, it feels (yes, subjective) that FDev consider that exploration is 'job-done' with the introduction of the FSS.
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I'm still near the abyss at the moment in my 43 ly fully armed with SLF Krait Mk2During the last day rush to get to Beagle Point from a quarter of the way across the galaxy in a 35Ly Vulture...
I still haven't turned in the data for it yet, if you want to beat me to it...
Wrong - the view of the AHWs that exploration was honk-and-done pre-3.3 have been proven wrong on numerous occasions but they still complained repeatedly and (unfortunately) got their way in the end. The AHWs though are quite aggressively dismissive and derisive of those that object to the FSS/DSS and have been since the Beta, arguably they were just as derisive and insulting (before the Beta) - things have not changed much in that regard.
FD can correct the situation and need not necessarily re-introduce the ADS to do so, which was my point - reintroducing the ADS is not the only potential solution. My point with regards to the ADS question is that those of us that object to the FSS/DSS are essentially objecting for the same fundamental reasons. If all of us that object to the change stop and think about it, there is more than one way to skin the cat wrt reviving the experience that was afforded by the ADS and is not catered for by the current FSS/DSS implementation.
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You misunderstood. In the FSS currently you look for the planets because we do not know where they are. If you add the ADS, that tells you what they are and exactly where they are. What would be the logic of actively looking for stuff in the FSS when you already know the exact whereabouts. What should happen is that you select a planet, open the FSS and it's automatically zoomed in as your computer already knows the exact whereabouts of the planet. It makes zero sense.
Having the system map completely populated after a honk would ruin that type of exploration. I zoom in on the gas giant, but none of its moons, so I have no idea what's there, only that something is because the FSS shows that to you. I open the system map to select the gas giant to fly there and discover what's there. If the system map is filled in, I can see exactly what's there. It would destroy that kind of exploration for me.
What on earth is an AHW.
That seems to be the prevailing opinion - but FD need to recognise that the 'job is not done' and even just a little effort to tweak things here and there could go a long way to appease the well deserved critique (at least in part if not in whole). They ultimately made a false claim that they consulted with the exploration community - the evidence regarding what was implemented would run counter to that. They are guilty of making false claims in regards to the consultation comment and so have committed a double sin wrt the exploration changes and 3.3.
With removing the system map reveal after the honk, for me at least, they might as well remove the system map altogether. Using the FSS to reveal the system map is very rarely ever worth playing the mini-game (or whatever one prefers to call the FSS view game mechanics). Just give me the nav. panel to target headings, and let me get on with it piloting my ships around to explore systems.
I want to feel like an explorer playing the game, not someone stuck in a cubical somewhere sneaking in some game time on their mobile device.
Of course this may (and likely does) vary any number of ways for different players; this is just my take on it.
Again, that would ruin the sense of discovery I get when using the FSS. For me having the ADS with targetable planets is not an option. It would in one single fell swoop completely ruin exploration for me.
Using the FSS and flying out to what I discover makes me feel like an explorer as I get to discover what's in a system myself instead of a five second press of a button.
Most likely. Anyway I have written up my compromise that I think FDev would accept in the thread. I don't think FDev will add in any modules that allows you to completely bypass the FSS. They may give option to minimise it's use though.
Don't mind me.
Let's say they would add the ADS in its old functionality again... Wouldn't it make more sense to add the functionality without the ADS? Just jump to the system and instantly reveal the system map without the unnecessary button pressing?
Let's say they would add the ADS in its old functionality again... Wouldn't it make more sense to add the functionality without the ADS? Just jump to the system and instantly reveal the system map without the unnecessary button pressing?
Well.. The ADS wasn't exactly cheap and easy to acquire... once. (Iirc, but I may be wrong). But today, Crs are so easy to earn... So, why not ?
All ships even got an additional size 1 slot... But I guess that's irrelevant since everybody is exploring in one of his 42 Anacondas anyway.
Not if you don't use it. Why do you keep insisting on raising the same non sequitur canard?
If it were an optional upgrade - you'd never have to use an ADS.
Still sounding more and more like, "Everyone should do it my way."
... everybody is exploring in one of his 42 Anacondas anyway.
Not so sure. Exploration has become so.. easy and insipid that many Cmdrs are exploring in small ships armed to the teeth. To spice up the thing, I presume.
You just helped to keep it going.
What is wrong with you. This is in regard to it being built in if you had bothered to read the post history.
AND I HAVE SAID A PLETHORA OF TIME THAT I WOULD FIND THAT ACCEPTABLE. WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND. HOW CAN I MAKE THAT ANY CLEARER. MY SEVEN YEAR OLD CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, WHY CANT YOU?
Read the posts before replying to them instead of making yourself look like a complete idiot. It may help.
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