The ADS

[IndigoWyrd]

So if I order a plate and I'm eating it and out of nowhere the waitress gets the plate out even though there's nothing wrong with it before finishing it, asking for it is selfish? Well now I know why FD are how they are, they are held to pathetically low bars.

Unless there is something wrong with it, and the waitress is under instruction from her manager not to inform you that the cook who made your plate seasoned it with urine. So sure, maybe the manager is being selfish for not wanting to create a scene, or invite a fully justified lawsuit, but still... it's a situation that can, maybe even has, happened, and in the end... well, let's just press on here. So they take your contaminated plate, and they bring you something else, because as it turns out maybe it wasn't just your plate that was specially seasoned, but the entire stock of that particular dish, and the waitress tells you "I'm terribly sorry, but we're all out of that, but we've brought you this, at no charge."

Then what? You either eat what you're given and not charged for - and you weren't charged for the 3.3 update - or... go somewhere else. Of course, the waitress doesn't suggest you go somewhere else. Other patrons at the same restaurant might however, when you start jumping up and down, screaming your demands, berating those who say "Hey, do you mind, we're trying to eat here." and carrying on. In fact, you'd likely not get away with this sort of behavior in the real world scenario depicted here for long before the police are called out, they start asking what's going on, find out that the wait staff confiscated your plate before you were done, compensated you with a free meal, despite it not being your favorite, and you threw a public tantrum, place bracelets around your wrists and escort you from the premises.

 

[IndigoWyrd]

I've not seen these calls for the old ADS, but my guess is it's people complaining about honking in a never before discovered system and not being able to see the planets in the system map. I used to use that method to check for ELWs WW and AWs without it slowing down my buckyballin to Colonia. I'm happy with it taking longer to check if there is actually a valuable planet in the system now though myself

Instead, you just look at the wave form indicator:

No blob-hunting required. No zoom in/zoom out required. The information is just plain right there, right after you honk, and you can still honk at full super-cruise speed. You need slow down only long enough to pull up this page and look, which is no different than having to pull up a 2d map and look. Yes, I get it, you can't see if the system is arranged like a 7-tier crib mobile from here. That requires actually zooming in on the various bodies first, which can take a long as one entire minute and then look at the 2d map, and then decide if you want to fly over to that body, 289,000 ls away to take a screenshot just like you'd have done before, only a minute and a half later, during which time, 9 other people have found that magical, rare system layout you've not been searching for this whole time because you can't take the extra 60 seconds to be bothered, and the rest of us are expected to feel bad for you.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Unless there is something wrong with it, and the waitress is under instruction from her manager not to inform you that the cook who made your plate seasoned it with urine. So sure, maybe the manager is being selfish for not wanting to create a scene, or invite a fully justified lawsuit, but still... it's a situation that can, maybe even has, happened, and in the end... well, let's just press on here. So they take your contaminated plate, and they bring you something else, because as it turns out maybe it wasn't just your plate that was specially seasoned, but the entire stock of that particular dish, and the waitress tells you "I'm terribly sorry, but we're all out of that, but we've brought you this, at no charge."

Then what? You either eat what you're given and not charged for - and you weren't charged for the 3.3 update - or... go somewhere else. Of course, the waitress doesn't suggest you go somewhere else. Other patrons at the same restaurant might however, when you start jumping up and down, screaming your demands, berating those who say "Hey, do you mind, we're trying to eat here." and carrying on. In fact, you'd likely not get away with this sort of behavior in the real world scenario depicted here for long before the police are called out, they start asking what's going on, find out that the wait staff confiscated your plate before you were done, compensated you with a free meal, despite it not being your favorite, and you threw a public tantrum, place bracelets around your wrists and escort you from the premises.

The thing is, the ADS wasn't "seasoned with urea", then again, you were the one who said it was selfish if the plate was ok. Also, making forum posts are nothing compared to a public outcry in a restaurant especially considering your precese here is completely optional from playing the game, i.e., you are hearing the complain because you wish so.

 

[brap_man]

Instead, you just look at the wave form indicator:

No blob-hunting required. No zoom in/zoom out required. The information is just plain right there, right after you honk, and you can still honk at full super-cruise speed. You need slow down only long enough to pull up this page and look, which is no different than having to pull up a 2d map and look. Yes, I get it, you can't see if the system is arranged like a 7-tier crib mobile from here. That requires actually zooming in on the various bodies first, which can take a long as one entire minute and then look at the 2d map, and then decide if you want to fly over to that body, 289,000 ls away to take a screenshot just like you'd have done before, only a minute and a half later, during which time, 9 other people have found that magical, rare system layout you've not been searching for this whole time because you can't take the extra 60 seconds to be bothered, and the rest of us are expected to feel bad for you.

Yep but that is slower than it used to be while buckyballin, as you used to be able to jump, scan, scoop, charge FSD, and then check system map while the FSD charged, and if nothing was there jump instantlyto the next system.
As I say, I don't mind that it takes longer to check now.. but it does take longer now

 

[IndigoWyrd]

Yep but that is slower than it used to be while buckyballin, as you used to be able to jump, scan, scoop, charge FSD, and then check system map while the FSD charged, and if nothing was there jump instantlyto the next system.
As I say, I don't mind that it takes longer to check now.. but it does take longer now

Isn't Buckyball a racing league? Who the hell stops to look at the scenery while racing, except the guy in last place?

Of course now you Jump, Scan, Scoop, Charge FSD, hit the FSS button, look at the bar and see everything at the same time - I suspect with 2-3 systems worth of practice it could actually be faster.

 

[brap_man]

Isn't Buckyball a racing league? Who the hell stops to look at the scenery while racing, except the guy in last place?

Of course now you Jump, Scan, Scoop, Charge FSD, hit the FSS button, look at the bar and see everything at the same time - I suspect with 2-3 systems worth of practice it could actually be faster.

Buckyballing is just jumping somewhere as fast as possible, and with the old ADS mechanism it was possible to do 45 second jumps and still check the system map.. which is impossible now

 

[IndigoWyrd]

Buckyballing is just jumping somewhere as fast as possible, and with the old ADS mechanism is was possible to do 45 second jumps and still check the system map.. which is impossible now

Right, so even looking at the system map is slowing you down. Skip that, honk as you charge FSD, and don't worry about it. You/re not even exploring, you're just picking up incidental data along the way to sell for a few credits. It would be like a race car driver saying "But I need to look at the girls flashing in the audience as I race by at 200 mph."

 

[brap_man]

Right, so even looking at the system map is slowing you down. Skip that, honk as you charge FSD, and don't worry about it. You/re not even exploring, you're just picking up incidental data along the way to sell for a few credits.

No it is not, a 45 second jump requires you to start charging your FSD as soon as the cooldown from the last jump has ended. That is the absolute fastest you can jump. You could do 45 seconds per jump and check for ELWs, WWs and AWs using the old system, and that is completely impossible to do now.

Edit
Honk while scooping, start charging as soon as cooldown ends (also while scooping), check system map while charging, jump

 

[IndigoWyrd]

No it is not, a 45 second jump requires you to start charging your FSD as soon as the cooldown from the last jump has ended. That is the absolute fastest you can jump. You could do 45 seconds per jump and check for ELWs, WWs and AWs using the old system, and that is completely impossible to do now.

Explain how you could "check them out", as you were given no planetary data without flying out to said planet to DSS it. Yes, could could potentially see that it was 4th planet in the system, based on its map position, and now you can simply tell that such a world is present in said system, in some position.

 

[brap_man]

Explain how you could "check them out", as you were given no planetary data without flying out to said planet to DSS it. Yes, could could potentially see that it was 4th planet in the system, based on its map position, and now you can simply tell that such a world is present in said system, in some position.

You look at them, if they are WWs, ELWs or AWs you then used to stop to scan them. You could argue that it then took longer, but I would only stop if it was something special such as binary ELWs or a ringed ELW, which was easy to see at a glance (but now the FSS doesn't show how special the system is). Trust me, I'm experienced enough to know that my old method of checking for special systems while travelling is no longer viable unless I want to not travel as fast as my SSD will load the next system

 

[brap_man]

Explain how you could "check them out", as you were given no planetary data without flying out to said planet to DSS it. Yes, could could potentially see that it was 4th planet in the system, based on its map position, and now you can simply tell that such a world is present in said system, in some position.

..continued point
Actually you highlighted another issue I have, because whenever I used to actually explore I'd look for high G landable planets orbiting O class stars, so I'd check system map for planets of high mass, but that is no longer possible

 

[IndigoWyrd]

You look at them, if they are WWs, ELWs or AWs you then used to stop to scan them. You could argue that it then took longer, but I would only stop if it was something special such as binary ELWs or a ringed ELW, which was easy to see at a glance (but now the FSS doesn't show how special the system is). Trust me, I'm experienced enough to know that my old method of checking for special systems while travelling is no longer viable unless I want to not travel as fast as my SSD will load the next system

But again, if you're flying out to check out some WW, ELW or WW, there are X number of other racers passing you by - at least if they're serious about getting "there" first.

 

[Burke]

Dont mention buckyballing it will be used against us!

 

[brap_man]

But again, if you're flying out to check out some WW, ELW or WW, there are X number of other racers passing you by - at least if they're serious about getting "there" first.

Firstly, I am not racing, I am merely travelling as fast as is possible. (like I have already said)
Secondly, it does not slow you down as the time spent checking the system map was during the FSD charging (like I already said)

I feel like you're either not listening, or you just don't understand how it works

 

[brap_man]

If I saw a special system I'd gladly spend 30 minutes putting my name on it.. but in umpteen trips to Colonia I never saw one worth stopping for (umpteen = about 20 in this case)

 

[IndigoWyrd]

..continued point
Actually you highlighted another issue I have, because whenever I used to actually explore I'd look for high G landable planets orbiting O class stars, so I'd check system map for planets of high mass, but that is no longer possible

Again, as I recall, you weren't given that data until you'd flown out and DSS 'd said planet. It is possible my recollection is inaccurate, and maybe you did get the planet data tab populated, but I loathed the old method, so my exploration was extremely limited back then.

But let's break it down now. You filter your Galaxy Map for O Class stars. Jump to one, give a honk, and if there are bodies there... you can rule out Gas Giants as landable and not even scan any of those. You know WW, AW, and ELW are not landable, so you needn't scan any of those. You might get lucky with a HMC, but they're usually not, so that leaves the Icy, Rocky Ice and Rock worlds. Yes, you've lost the system map view that that shows "Hey, this ball of rock is the size of the average gas giant, so I know the gravity has to be high" and actually have to spend a few seconds scanning the qualified bodies to get them onto the system map - or read their data from their FSS Zoom view.

But Exploration isn't a race, and if you don't have those few extra seconds... you've got some splainin' to do.

 

[brap_man]

Again, as I recall, you weren't given that data until you'd flown out and DSS 'd said planet. It is possible my recollection is inaccurate, and maybe you did get the planet data tab populated, but I loathed the old method, so my exploration was extremely limited back then.

But let's break it down now. You filter your Galaxy Map for O Class stars. Jump to one, give a honk, and if there are bodies there... you can rule out Gas Giants as landable and not even scan any of those. You know WW, AW, and ELW are not landable, so you needn't scan any of those. You might get lucky with a HMC, but they're usually not, so that leaves the Icy, Rocky Ice and Rock worlds. Yes, you've lost the system map view that that shows "Hey, this ball of rock is the size of the average gas giant, so I know the gravity has to be high" and actually have to spend a few seconds scanning the qualified bodies to get them onto the system map - or read their data from their FSS Zoom view.

But Exploration isn't a race, and if you don't have those few extra seconds... you've got some splainin' to do.

It is quite simple...
I travel to Colonia a lot
I like to get there fast as I have BGS business there
I also used to like checking the system map to see if I saw something special
Checking the system map for something special used to take less than the time to charge your FSD
However, I am fine with the fact that is no longer possible.. even though searching O class systems for high G landables is more difficult now as you used to get mass and radius from your honk scan but no longer do

What about that is so hard to grasp?

 

[IndigoWyrd]

Firstly, I am not racing, I am merely travelling as fast as is possible. (like I have already said)
Secondly, it does not slow you down as the time spent checking the system map was during the FSD charging (like I already said)

I feel like you're either not listening, or you just don't understand how it works

I am listening, and not grasping the straw you're waving. You're the one who brought up buckyballing. I went back and re-read. Now, for the sake of clarification, I need to established if Buckyballing is racing? If not, then I must ask what is the purpose of speed-jumping? Just to get through the game play as quickly as possible? I can't see how this is enjoyable. In my mind, if I'm playing a game because I'm having fun playing a game, I want to play that game for as long as possible, to enjoy it as long as possible, not rush though it as fast as possible.

I guess you could compare it to drinking shots of whiskey as compared to drinking shots of pure grain alcohol - why drink 6 shots to get drunk when you can drink 4 shots and get to passed-out drunk?

 

[IndigoWyrd]

It is quite simple...
I travel to Colonia a lot
I like to get there fast as I have BGS business there
I also used to like checking the system map to see if I saw something special
Checking the system map for something special used to take less than the time to charge your FSD
However, I am fine with the fact that is no longer possible.. even though searching O class systems for high G landables is more difficult now as you used to get mass and radius from your honk scan but no longer do

What about that is so hard to grasp?

That explanation isn't so hard to grasp, because it is clear and comprehensive, and in a language I comprehend.

Had I countered with "Ok, but I enjoy Dysonswarming across space." you'd not have any idea what I was talking about, or maybe you'd recognize the term from a random forum post you'd seen, that didn't particularly interest you, as it involves cramming so many people into one area that their superluminal "fireflies" blot out a planet in the background.

 

[brap_man]

I am listening, and not grasping the straw you're waving. You're the one who brought up buckyballing. I went back and re-read. Now, for the sake of clarification, I need to established if Buckyballing is racing? If not, then I must ask what is the purpose of speed-jumping? Just to get through the game play as quickly as possible? I can't see how this is enjoyable. In my mind, if I'm playing a game because I'm having fun playing a game, I want to play that game for as long as possible, to enjoy it as long as possible, not rush though it as fast as possible.

I guess you could compare it to drinking shots of whiskey as compared to drinking shots of pure grain alcohol - why drink 6 shots to get drunk when you can drink 4 shots and get to passed-out drunk?

It is quite simple...
I travel to Colonia a lot
I like to get there fast as I have BGS business there
I also used to like checking the system map to see if I saw something special
Checking the system map for something special used to take less than the time to charge your FSD
However, I am fine with the fact that is no longer possible.. even though searching O class systems for high G landables is more difficult now as you used to get mass and radius from your honk scan but no longer do

What about that is so hard to grasp?