Why do you think FD decided to forget about the DDF?

[IndigoWyrd]

You don't have to, you have no vested interest.

"vested interest", "oversight"... I'm pretty sure you've a track record for vernacular inaccuracy around here. Or is there record somewhere of Stig saying he isn't a LEPer as well, or doesn't care if there's any further free content for him? Got his financials to show he's not a shareholder?

I love verbally sparring with you, I really do, perhaps because of the demonstrated apriori you've shown so many times.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

When FCs arrive two years late he has to apologize for being impatient?

And please go easy on the generalizations. One guy keeps asking for a refund and that's enough for you to throw everyone in the same basket and call the "LEPer colony" "self-entitled brats"? Let's abstain from insults. Can we agree to this?

Indeed. It amazes me the contempt that some hold the high level backers (of which in the grand scheme I am NOT one). Don't get me wrong it is absolutely fine to go in at the minimum point of entry to get in at gamma. Hell I do it all the time with most games, it is why I am not fussed about the minute details of star citizen for instance, I went in at a mere $65 to get both games.
However had it not been for the brats / deluded fools / what ever other negative you want to throw at the early backers those who got an absolute steal of a deal would not have a game to play .
Hell it is pretty obvious the different expectations I suppose. If I only pay £5 and I get a Tesco's microwave curry I will be happy
If I trust the chef with hundreds of pounds base on him telling me it is going to be a curry like no other I have tasted, the perfectly adequate Tesco's meal may cause dissapointment.

PS I have never asked or threatened to ask for a refund on my LEP. I would not have a leg to stand on and am well aware of it. (Nor do I want to). I am not worried about future major patches... I would say this thread is more aimed at the missing content which was expected to be much closer to launch.
End of the day this is a discussion forum players should be able to voice where they thing the game has come up short with out being called an idiot...
(When this become a lests crap on LEP owners anyway I thought this was about chatting about FD and the DDF and whether they have ignored / moved away from it,?

 

[Stigbob]

You don't have to, you have no vested interest.

Video games are just somehting you do with disposable income, if it's not disposable don't do it.

I got Fallout 4 GOTY plus all the DLC for £19.99 buying the lot up front with their version of an LEP was at least three or four times that IIRC. LEP's don't represent savings as video game prices always drop over time. Which is one of the reasons I find it funny when people call them investments.

 

[Riverside]

"vested interest", "oversight"... I'm pretty sure you've a track record for vernacular inaccuracy around here. Or is there record somewhere of Stig saying he isn't a LEPer as well, or doesn't care if there's any further free content for him? Got his financials to show he's not a shareholder?

I love verbally sparring with you, I really do, perhaps because of the demonstrated apriori you've shown so many times.

I have no interest in you at all Indigowyrd, you are just a heckler in the crowd.

I don't raise start threads about this issue time & time again. But when it is introduced and described incorrectly I clarify my position. It doesn't affect you, Stigbob or anyone else and is only related to this thread in the most general of 'things not yet delivered' sense.

 

[Riverside]

I find it funny when people call them investments.

I don't call the LEP an investment Stigbob, and those that do are probably just talking about value for money. I just want to know what's going on, just like we used to with the Dev updates & sneak peeks. It's a really easy idea to understand

 

[zimms]

Let's abstain from insults. Can we agree to this?

It's only an insult when it isn't true - when it is, it may be harsh, but that doesn't change the fact of the matter. To quote John Doe: "Wanting people to listen, you can't just tap them on the shoulder anymore. You have to hit them with a sledgehammer, and then you'll notice you've got their strict attention."

Sigh... So that's a no then.

 

[Theodrid]

Those are marketing videos, you should judge a product by the released cut not the theorycrafting stage. I'm the only one here stating really easily verifiable facts that anyone can read on kickstarters website. You not liking it changes nothing.

No, they were't all marketing videos, some were dev updates and many from Braben himself. I am old enough and wise enough to know the difference between marketing and a developers 'we will'. I am plenty long enough in the tooth to to know the difference between a trailer and a we will . I know things change Stig, I'm also aware that Frontier are by no means alone in this type of behaviour. None of that changes the fact that we do not have the game they said we'd have and you not liking that doesn't change a damn thing either. I can link you plenty from Braben himself that is made to sound anything other than just 'theorycrafting', dev posts, dev replies so either they were incapable of delivering it - it happens, or they needed to push the kickstarter over the edge. It could be a bit of both but either way it's disappointing to a lot of us who backed early, it honestly doesn't take a lot of empathy to get that Stig.

If I'd said to you in December 2012 'I will give you a tenner Stig' you'd be well within your rights to be asking me - at any time over the last 3 or 4 years maybe - 'hey, where's my frackin' tenner?'

 

[Viajero]

I don't call the LEP an investment Stigbob, and those that do are probably just talking about value for money. I just want to know what's going on, just like we used to with the Dev updates & sneak peeks. It's a really easy idea to understand

Just a quick clarification there: The dev updates and pics following Elite vanilla release and later Horizons announcement were directly aimed to detail the content in the upcoming release, short term. Much like FDEV has done with subsequent forum posts, livestreams, short cinematic video, and newsletters etc since then for any other updates, like any of the 1.X updates or Horizons 2.X updates, Beyond, and 2019 updates. That has not changed much, if at all, since then.

 

[IndigoWyrd]

Sigh... So that's a no then.

If you want it to be. I don't make a habit of telling people how to interpret things. I also do not forgive, do not forget, and do not apologize. But don't take this to mean you can expect a deluge of more harshness either - I've said what needed said and moved on; you're welcome to come along for the ride.

 

[Stigbob]

Indeed. It amazes me the contempt that some hold the high level backers

Those people bought a video game, nothing more. Its not some amazing achievement or mark of a towering intellect they just voluntarily paid over more money than they had to (like the LEP'ers did).

Griping about it later also tends to undermine their position as having gone into it with their eyes open.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

No these people were huge fans of the videogame and were prepared to go out of pocket to try to make sure it got made based on the amazibg pitch from FD. IF they feel dissapointed and that FD have up until now under delivered in their opinion they should be allowed to voice that without being called an idiot

You have no interest in the DDF and you admitted you don't even want to read what was in it and that is ok but that does not mean people are not entitled to feel dissapointed just like you are entitled to feel that FD have completely delivered all the features they said they would

It should be possible to disagree without you clearly enjoying trolling people who are unhappy. And calling them idiots or what ever other guff you come out with is not on at all.

Why are you even so invested in a topic that you admit to having less than no interest in.

 

[Stigbob]

No these people were huge fans of the videogame and were prepared to go out of pocket to try to make sure it got made based on the amazibg pitch from FD. IF they feel dissapointed and that FD have up until now under delivered in their opinion they should be allowed to voice that without being called an idiot

Nobodies called them idiots.

You have no interest in the DDF and you admitted you don't even want to read what was in it and that is ok but that does not mean people are not entitled to feel dissapointed just like you are entitled to feel that FD have completely delivered all the features they said they would

Why would I read information that's five or six years out of date ?. It has no relevance to the game as it now is, or going forward for that matter.

It should be possible to disagree without you clearly enjoying trolling people who are unhappy. And calling them idiots or what ever other guff you come out with is not on at all.

You can't just theorycraft up imaginary insults swoon theatrically onto the floor and expect any genuine sympathy. I might point out you are being very hypocritical given you like to chuck in name calling, or I could point out you just made that stuff up.

What I'll never do is take it remotely seriously or as an indicator you might just be right about other stuff.

Why are you even so invested in a topic that you admit to having less than no interest in.

This isn't a hugbox just for people to gripe about things they made up without anyone being allowed to fact check them (see above).

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Nobodies called them idiots.



Why would I read information that's five or six years out of date ?. It has no relevance to the game as it now is, or going forward for that matter.



You can't just theorycraft up imaginary insults swoon theatrically onto the floor and expect any genuine sympathy. I might point out you are being very hypocritical given you like to chuck in name calling, or I could point out you just made that stuff up.

What I'll never do is take it remotely seriously or as an indicator you might just be right about other stuff.



This isn't a hugbox just for people to gripe about things they made up without anyone being allowed to fact check them (see above).

What name did I call you (or anyone else here) if I did I will apologise ) I DO genuinely think at this point you are enjoying winding folk up (or trolling people) in this thread however

 

[Winterwalker]

I don't think the DDF is abandonned really. Not a contributor to it one thing I remember reading was ideas for different grades of fuel. The way things have panned out and as I understand the route taken by devs, Grade A fuel might end up meaning extra Ly's jump distance. Wouldn't that be great and glaringly missing but paradoxically also probably better kept back being a game changing reward. It could make game changing incentives too, for features we haven't had a sniff of yet like more developed blackmarkets, militaries, trade or pirate smuggler guild organisations.

 

[IndigoWyrd]

I have no interest in you at all Indigowyrd, you are just a heckler in the crowd.

I don't raise this issue time & time again. But when it is introduced and described incorrectly I clarify my position. It doesn't affect you, Stigbob or anyone else and is only related to this thread in the most general of 'things not yet delivered' sense.

So this isn't you? https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/dangerous-discussion-elite-dangerous.527627/post-8116198
And I suppose this isn't you either: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...-to-frontier-developments.524660/post-8047148
Nor is this: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/e3-2019.514415/post-7849487
This: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...s-doomed-do-something-now.515969/post-7870998
This: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/lifetime-pass-and-general-update-questions.516278/post-7876619
This: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/lifetime-expansion-pass-holders-update.462900/post-7801823
This: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/very-important-message-for-frontier-devs.524804/post-8049508
This: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/npc-ai-update-2-1-03-and-beyond.267702/post-4140759
This: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/i-want-my-money-back.280400/post-4356830
Or this: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...-to-frontier-developments.524660/post-8047148

None of that is you, huh? Want to try to sell me a bridge while you're at it?

It's a good thing I wear really tall boots around here.

 

[M00ka]

^^ Please no.

I don't think the DDF is abandonned really. Not a contributor to it one thing I remember reading was ideas for different grades of fuel. The way things have panned out and as I understand the route taken by devs, Grade A fuel might end up meaning extra Ly's jump distance. Wouldn't that be great and glaringly missing but paradoxically also probably better kept back being a game changing reward. It could make game changing incentives too, for features we haven't had a sniff of yet like more developed blackmarkets, militaries, trade or pirate smuggler guild organisations.

Don't we already have different grades of fuel? Every player has access to jumporium or whatever the synthesis is called that increases your range. Then of course there is the use of neutron stars which will give you an even bigger boost. So in that regard, FD have delivered, just not in the way described in the DDF.

 

[Jack Schitt]

didn't we all back the kickstarter because we wanted Elite back? I'd say we got Elite Back in spades. Then SC comes along and says we'll do space legs and then every one demands that 'Elite Feet' has to be in Elite too.

I agree that we definitely got Elite back in spades, but the "demanding" of space legs can not be attributed to Star Citizen "coming along" after we'd all backed the Kickstarter. Star Citizen's Kickstarter had already been running for nearly three weeks when ED's went live.

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

Video games are just somehting you do with disposable income, if it's not disposable don't do it.

I got Fallout 4 GOTY plus all the DLC for £19.99 buying the lot up front with their version of an LEP was at least three or four times that IIRC. LEP's don't represent savings as video game prices always drop over time. Which is one of the reasons I find it funny when people call them investments.

So what justification then does the vendor have for charging (at some point at least) a massive multiple of full price new release to purchase one? If there’s no basis of expectation there you’re saying they are literally taking peoples money for nothing at high disrepute.

 

[Viajero]

So what justification then does the vendor have for charging (at some point at least) a massive multiple of full price new release to purchase one? If there’s no basis of expectation there you’re saying they are literally taking peoples money for nothing at high disrepute.

Regarding future DLC a few quotes from before launch that may be of interest:

https://us2.campaign-archive.com/?u=dcbf6b86b4b0c7d1c21b73b1e&id=1824c0b05a

We have regularly said that depending on the level of success of Elite: Dangerous we intend to continue expanding it with new content and new features.

... will have access to all these features and updates for as long as we create them at no further cost.

This means that if we are as successful as we hope to be, you will still be benefiting from the fantastic early support you gave us for a long time to come.

The caveats (and risks for buyers) seem very clear. Having read that, I think the discussion is mixing up DDF topics with future DLC topics. On the latter as far as I can see FDEV have not only not confirmed any kind of cancellation on those original DLC plans (yet) but have also actually delivered part of them already with Horizons and have confirmed a new era aimed to be delivered late next year. Which seems consistent with the quotes above.

 

[xzanfr]

Perhaps we should take this discussion in to the backers forum rather than opening it up to ill informed latecomers who have no idea of the context.