No it has been attempted, 1 premium srv repair at the start. He didnt make it, not even close.
Why is premium ammo still a thing in open ?
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Or just use it and stop pretending a game feature that takes a tiny amount of effort to obtain that everyone can use is imbalanced.
I know nothing in this game that requires anything like a "tiny amount of effort"
My own opinion:
As a Commander who prefers ballistic weaponry, I see no issue with Premium ammo at all.
It makes perfect sense; if one can synthesize regular ammo, one can synthesize harder ammo with deeper penetration.
While I VERY rarely use Premium ammo, it's nice to have it on tap when some rude Player decides he wants to engage in unwanted dance lessons. I consider 'regular' ammo to be just that - regular. If the Commander has the mats and is willing to sacrifice a TON of expensive minerals, switching all your multiguns (or other ballistic weaponry) to Black Tip ammo seems to be a sensible upgrade. It's good, but it COSTS - a lot.
Seems like a good upgrade to me.
Cheers!
As a Commander who prefers ballistic weaponry, I see no issue with Premium ammo at all.
It makes perfect sense; if one can synthesize regular ammo, one can synthesize harder ammo with deeper penetration.
While I VERY rarely use Premium ammo, it's nice to have it on tap when some rude Player decides he wants to engage in unwanted dance lessons. I consider 'regular' ammo to be just that - regular. If the Commander has the mats and is willing to sacrifice a TON of expensive minerals, switching all your multiguns (or other ballistic weaponry) to Black Tip ammo seems to be a sensible upgrade. It's good, but it COSTS - a lot.
Seems like a good upgrade to me.
Cheers!
I get the idea in principle, but why should that have any particular status over any of the myriad conditions experienced in combat?
Speaking as a combat veteran (RL), the FIRST rule of combat is to always assume the enemy is at maximum preparation and capacity.
When you engage in combat in ED, you should be fully prepared for the likelihood that the opponent is fully upgraded, completely Engineered with every possible stat buffed to the maximum. To do otherwise is to engage in wishful thinking.
Now - for the record, I fight very little PvP; the few poor sods I've vapourized did not take that principle into consideration and paid for it...on a couple of occasions rather humorously. The rule holds true: ALWAYS expect your enemy to be at maximum capability; it's a basic principle of combat.
Cheers!
That's all right what you say for any wild encounters.
If you have a tournament going and you want to set the rules to have fights without premium ammo - there is no way to screen players if they adhere to this rule with the current situation.
As someone else said, it's a matter of trust ... and whom can you really trust online?
This leaves us at the current situation that you can't really set tournament rules for tournaments to be "without premium".
I'm thinking of something relatively easy to start with. Like Hi'iaka, in Sol. Last time I was there it had some of the smoothest terrain I've seen and it's quite small.
Hardly means it can't be done.
I know I've been in the SRV for protracted periods where the rate of damage I was taking (2-3% per tank of fuel) wouldn't have resulted in the loss of the SRV after a thousand km.
We'll see.
Have everyone record the engagements from their perspective, with a quick run through the module list just before the fight starts.
Well...
If you're looking for Tournament rules, a simple screenshot provided by the contestant showing the vessel has no Zirconium or Mercury aboard would absolutely prevent any possibility of premium ammunition. Inclusion in the tournament could require visiting a MT to dispense of these materials. Tough, but if people want to participate, that is the rule.
Try that - it WOULD insure no premium ammo is used.
Sure, that could be a solution for some mega-event. It'll have more success then asking the devs to implement some qol here on suggestions too
Simply comparing material reserves before and after, plus a look at the pre-match module pane to be sure none was active when the match started would achieve the same effect.
I'd find it pretty unreasonable if I was forced to burn through 450 materials, that can't even be jettisoned anymore, that I did not grind to get and will not grind to replace, when there are simple ways to demonstrate I'm not using them.
EXCELLENT point! Yes, that would be a MUCH better way of doing it!
The only criticism I could offer is that a player entering the tournament could upgrade to Premium prior to entrance then take the screenshot; thus having one full bellyfull of Premium ammo without seeing any loss of materiel. Of course, they could do that with my idea as well.
Well - YOU do, Arkadi. And so would anyone who wants to participate in your tournament. Hell, get it going; I'd love to join!
A good tournament has strict rules; if you build it, get pleasure from it, encourage other people to try it, it can and will grow.
Handful of screen shots a week is hardly difficult.
Evidently quite a few, or these topics wouldn't come up.
Personally, I'm inclined to give people the benefit of the doubt and take them at their word in contests that are being done purely for the entertainment of the participants, but no one likes to be cheated, and if some simple precautions can give everyone a little peace of mind, so much the better.
Well - YOU do, Arkadi. And so would anyone who wants to participate in your tournament. Hell, get it going; I'd love to join!
A good tournament has strict rules; if you build it, get pleasure from it, encourage other people to try it, it can and will grow.
Thanks for that encouragement!
Unfortunatly I have barly enough time to play for my leisure. I was participating in two pvp-groups some time ago, but I left, 'couse I had not that much time to devote and my situation does not allow for long voice-sessions in the night very often. Still I'd love to join some pvp-groups again - and even more so, if I wouldn't have to go searching for premium mats to stay competitive.
So I am only theory crafting here.
Lame reasoning. Everyone can get and equip premium ammo.
I'd support getting rid of solo and pg.
I mean. I filled my top tier raw mats in 2 hours with basically no real effort.I know nothing in this game that requires anything like a "tiny amount of effort"
Time and effort aren't necessarily the same thing.
The simplest solution to all of this would be to move the goalposts for synthesis and make the premium ammo equal to the ammunition we buy in the stations, with the others being weaker.
For example, rather than "basic", "standard" and "premium" synthesis, we have "backup", "makeshift" and "basic" ammunition available in synthesis. The top-tier basic synthesis would be as good as station resupplied ammunition, with the others being 30% and 15% weaker respectively.
Although personally, I feel that synthesis in general needs a lot of reworking as it makes things like ammunition limitations completely void in any kind of competitive scenario as well as rendering exploration even more of a doddle than it already is. The only synthesis that I am happy with in its current state is the FSD injection. I'd be much happier if they moved synthesis into an actual module that could be loaded up with a certain number of recipes, with premium synthesis taking up multiple recipe slots, ideally with changing all of the material requirements into commodity requirements.
For example, rather than "basic", "standard" and "premium" synthesis, we have "backup", "makeshift" and "basic" ammunition available in synthesis. The top-tier basic synthesis would be as good as station resupplied ammunition, with the others being 30% and 15% weaker respectively.
Although personally, I feel that synthesis in general needs a lot of reworking as it makes things like ammunition limitations completely void in any kind of competitive scenario as well as rendering exploration even more of a doddle than it already is. The only synthesis that I am happy with in its current state is the FSD injection. I'd be much happier if they moved synthesis into an actual module that could be loaded up with a certain number of recipes, with premium synthesis taking up multiple recipe slots, ideally with changing all of the material requirements into commodity requirements.