African Buffalo = profit?

[Korbinos]

I have a random question: Why are African Buffalo so expensive with CC on the franchise market? especially since the Frontier Zoo sells them in cash, not CC. I was able to profit big with them in the Beta, and with the official release, I bred them again to amass CC. These animals aren't difficult to breed and they're not particularly rare (in real life). I'm now wondering, is it simply because they're first alphabetically?

 

[Tim bo]

Don't know. I'm desperately struggling to get African Buffalo from the Franchise market. I eventually managed to get a beat up old male and female for cash, but due to their poor genetics they didn't breed. The old female died, the old male is on his own, and for ages now there either has been no African Buffalo available or only available for 5,000 to 10,000 CC. I don't have anything like 5,000 CC let alone 10,000.

 

[Kai]

Don't know. I'm desperately struggling to get African Buffalo from the Franchise market. I eventually managed to get a beat up old male and female for cash, but due to their poor genetics they didn't breed. The old female died, the old male is on his own, and for ages now there either has been no African Buffalo available or only available for 5,000 to 10,000 CC. I don't have anything like 5,000 CC let alone 10,000.

There's 2 groups of players in the game at the moment: people with very little CC and people with hundreds of thousands of CC.

Most of the player sold animals are going to be aimed at that second group of players. Happily, it seems that the Frontier Zoo postings are once again working, so with some refreshing you should be able to get some cheap animals (it was broken yesterday and the prices on everything went to hell). That said the servers are crazy unstable for me this morning.

 

[Dae]

The same, continuously disconnected.

You forgot a third group of players with a good amount of CC (but not as crazy as your second group) that sell animals at the recommended price because they are not greedy and want to aim at your first group but are hijacked by the second that just speculate by sniping them and resell them at high price.

 

[Kai]

The same, continuously disconnected.

You forgot a third group of players with a good amount of CC (but not as crazy as your second group) that sell animals at the recommended price because they are not greedy and want to aim at your first group but are hijacked by the second that just speculate by sniping them and resell them at high price.

Yeah without a direct trading system I don't see much point in being generous. If I could directly trade the odd new person a pair of white tiger/lions that I was going to wild release and guaranteed they'd get it, I might bother. As it stand chances are that I put them up super cheap, someone who doesn't even need CC is just going to snipe it for a resale.

I think a direct trade system would honestly have been a nice feature for the community.

 

[Wolfen75]

Indeed, the way the trading works, as well as the puppy-mill-"community challenge" is a sad thing.
The latter is only brought up to generate hype for the game, the former is just kinky.
I have 150.000 CC now, but its not feeling like an achievement, the whole online feature is adding nothing to the game.

edit:
And to call the CC "conservation points" is a joke too, this game is not about conservation or animal care gameplay wise.
Its about mass producing and exploiting game systems.

-inbred is no problem, get your CCs
-the amount of animals you have to distribute to the "community"-challenge is impossible for a player who don't makes puppy mills
(then it is a boring piece of cake, i "made" 150 bengal tigers yesterday in a couple of hours to see if this shyt is really working, hence my high CC... looked like a
disgusting animal factory, but worked)
-the visitors are caring mostly for their shops
-You can throw harmless animals to the predators or let predators fight each other to death without a significant punishment.

As far as i am concerned, the whole "conservation mindset" is only a public relation gag

 

[Dae]

It adds something by the fact that animals sold by players may have better genetics than the ones sold by the bot, so if you want to have a breeding program with healthy animals Franchise mode is better than offline modes. Except that the system rewards more players that speculate and inbreed animals than those that really care about the conservation message and wish to play a cooperative game.

 

[Kai]

It adds something by the fact that animals sold by players may have better genetics than the ones sold by the bot, so if you want to have a breeding program with healthy animals Franchise mode is better than offline modes. Except that the system rewards more players that speculate and inbreed animals than those that really care about the conservation message and wish to play a cooperative game.

I think that message went out the window once they added rare albino/variant skins with no way to identify animals with the carrier genes.

 

[MummyMoose91]

I thought the same about the Bornean Orangutans. My make died and I went to get a replacement as didn't want to inbreed with the son and the market was virtually empty and insanely expensive.

I think I sit in the middle bracket. I have about 12000 CC, mostly got through the gorilla challenge. But I'm not puppy milling it. I just have he regular amount, let them breed as they wish and release the babies. Any more than that it would spoil the fun for me.. I only released 5 I think and sold a few slightly cheaper than the going rate at the time.

Honestly though, I've just been breeding gold stat peacocks for 15-22CC per release. Takes awhile but adds up in the long run. Quite proud of my brood of non-inbred peafowl.

 

[Agathorn]

I gave up on buffalo. They were one of my early animals before prices shot up, but they have so few offspring, and after like 3 tries I just couldn't get a self sustaining breeding program going and the CC costs to replace them were killing me.

 

[Kai]

-the visitors are caring mostly for their shops

THIS! This makes me so angry. My guests only seem to come to my zoos to eat, drink and go shopping. They spend all their time whining they're hungry and thirsty, unless I add a completely outrageous amount of vendors. You visit a zoo to see the animals not stuff food in your face 24/7!

I want to see one of the following changes:

• Restaurants that can handle large amounts of guests
• The food/drink stands dealing with customers more efficiently
• The rate at which guests get hungry/thirsty needs to be significantly reduced

 

[Mrkoekie1991]

I am also having insane problems with shops. Its unreal how I literally need to place 3 drink shops and 1 food shops between every habitat. And still they complain about drink and the lines at the shops are always completely full.. with staff trained maximum. Its crazy..... And what OP said... If you dont want to create farms of animals... Don't bother playing francise. It adds nothing but frustration tbh. I got 70 k cc now without "farming too much" I have 1 lion habitat that earns me quite much in cc. And selling some gorrilas for 10 k did some tricks. Im trying to get giant Panda's now. I have a male and female bought them together for 20 k cc. Only 1 child during their entire lifespawn... So goodbye hard earned 20 k cc ..... None on the market at all.

Now im in a state to make a second zoo... copy past a pre made lion habitat to farm the out of it so I actually dont have to worry about CC at all and just get a park running with more panda's etc....... but now I was reading this post I am like... why? Im so focussed on getting CC now that I barely build.... just constantly trying to max profit. Its stressfull and not fun. Don't want to pause game either cuz ill be missing the challenge and mass breeding of animals... I dont want to pause my game anymore cuz the breed farm needs to carry on. Or else I might not have enough CC for next week challenge.... sigh. Maby I shuld switch to offline and let the entire franchise leave it as it is. Its beyond fixing already... The ammount of CC prob farmed by ppl already... I suspect in a few weeks all animals will sell for 10 k cc as there is too much CC in accounts. And there is no actuall CC sink beside animals.... If they would sell certain objects for CC.. there might actually be some kind of sink. But none atm. PRob ppl will wine about bigger CC cap on animal selling... Which would not help the average player at all but the farmers..... I see posts of people having giant zoo's with 20 identical habitats just to farm... my god.. u ppl even have fun xD?

My conclusion: Franchise is prob beyond fixing already. The only thing that might have made it work if releasing animals into the wild would give WAAAY less conservation points... perhaps like 200-300 for a lion instead of 1300 for lions...That case ppl would actually bother to sell their animals on market instead of releasing them in wild. In most cases that earn you more CC then selling on market..... Speaking of lions here ofcourse. But I supose what I just said .. it is to late. The inflation is already to much. You have RICH players now... or very poor players. Prob nearly no middle ground. Sorry for bad english

 

[Kai]

I see posts of people having giant zoo's with 20 identical habitats just to farm... my god.. u ppl even have fun xD?

That's mainly caused by the horribly designed community challenges that just encourage people to puppy-mill breed/release vast quantities of one particular species.

Personally I prefer to focus on breeding for 100/100 albinos, but each to their own.

 

[Tim bo]

Don't know. I'm desperately struggling to get African Buffalo from the Franchise market. I eventually managed to get a beat up old male and female for cash, but due to their poor genetics they didn't breed. The old female died, the old male is on his own, and for ages now there either has been no African Buffalo available or only available for 5,000 to 10,000 CC. I don't have anything like 5,000 CC let alone 10,000.

There's 2 groups of players in the game at the moment: people with very little CC and people with hundreds of thousands of CC.

Most of the player sold animals are going to be aimed at that second group of players. Happily, it seems that the Frontier Zoo postings are once again working, so with some refreshing you should be able to get some cheap animals (it was broken yesterday and the prices on everything went to hell). That said the servers are crazy unstable for me this morning.

You're right, the Frontier Zoo postings came back up. I kept checking and within half an hour I had a male and three younger females. Seems I got lucky, the male is a stud, and all three females are now pregrant.

Buffalo breeding and some nice CC should follow.

 

[Kai]

You're right, the Frontier Zoo postings came back up. I kept checking and within half an hour I had a male and three younger females. Seems I got lucky, the male is a stud, and all three females are now pregrant.

Buffalo breeding and some nice CC should follow.

Definitely need more people breeding buffalo. Would love to get an albino group going but I've only ever seen an albino on the market once!

 

[xTo]

I am also having insane problems with shops. Its unreal how I literally need to place 3 drink shops and 1 food shops between every habitat. And still they complain about drink and the lines at the shops are always completely full.. with staff trained maximum. Its crazy..... And what OP said... If you dont want to create farms of animals... Don't bother playing francise. It adds nothing but frustration tbh. I got 70 k cc now without "farming too much" I have 1 lion habitat that earns me quite much in cc. And selling some gorrilas for 10 k did some tricks. Im trying to get giant Panda's now. I have a male and female bought them together for 20 k cc. Only 1 child during their entire lifespawn... So goodbye hard earned 20 k cc ..... None on the market at all.

Now im in a state to make a second zoo... copy past a pre made lion habitat to farm the poopoo out of it so I actually dont have to worry about CC at all and just get a park running with more panda's etc....... but now I was reading this post I am like... why? Im so focussed on getting CC now that I barely build.... just constantly trying to max profit. Its stressfull and not fun. Don't want to pause game either cuz ill be missing the challenge and mass breeding of animals... I dont want to pause my game anymore cuz the breed farm needs to carry on. Or else I might not have enough CC for next week challenge.... sigh. Maby I shuld switch to offline and let the entire franchise leave it as it is. Its beyond fixing already... The ammount of CC prob farmed by ppl already... I suspect in a few weeks all animals will sell for 10 k cc as there is too much CC in accounts. And there is no actuall CC sink beside animals.... If they would sell certain objects for CC.. there might actually be some kind of sink. But none atm. PRob ppl will wine about bigger CC cap on animal selling... Which would not help the average player at all but the farmers..... I see posts of people having giant zoo's with 20 identical habitats just to farm... my god.. u ppl even have fun xD?

My conclusion: Franchise is prob beyond fixing already. The only thing that might have made it work if releasing animals into the wild would give WAAAY less conservation points... perhaps like 200-300 for a lion instead of 1300 for lions...That case ppl would actually bother to sell their animals on market instead of releasing them in wild. In most cases that earn you more CC then selling on market..... Speaking of lions here ofcourse. But I supose what I just said .. it is to late. The inflation is already to much. You have RICH players now... or very poor players. Prob nearly no middle ground. Sorry for bad english

You're complaining about the broken franchise market whilst also selling gorillas for 10k.. I'm sorry but you're part of the problem then..
I do agree with the idea of having a CC sink in the game. Maybe some special facilities or avatar clothing.

 

[Mrkoekie1991]

You're complaining about the broken franchise market whilst also selling gorillas for 10k.. I'm sorry but you're part of the problem then..
I do agree with the idea of having a CC sink in the game. Maybe some special facilities or avatar clothing.

Before you tell me I was part of the problem:

I made a post 2 days ago being disatisfied that someone put my gorilla up for 7 k while I initially sold it for 1.5 k to help the community. It was up for 1 second and 30 seconds later the animal with the same stats, name, age and gender pops up for 7 k. Could be coincidence, but I think not. As I put the sliders nearly exact same way to keep track of her.

Now I went on with "being the problem" as I have one habitat of them ( yes I am not making addiotional parks to mass farm them by putting copies of habitats in it, and make - 100 k a year and just let the game breed endlessly, because there is no punishment if you are actually broke!!!!!!!!!!!. So again, I do need to put my animals up for 10 k as there is no other way in keeping up with the system then. if I buy 2 gorilla's of 10 k on store and breed with them..... in their lifespawn one can hope for 2-3 babies.. and I sell for 1.5 k.... my gorillas would have been dead and I would have made minus 7 k. That would bankrupt me.

So I totally disagree with your opinion on the matter here.

 

[Yessica]

I'm in the middle group and trying to sell those buffalo for normal recommended prices but I feel like people are just buying and relisting. I keep my eye out for the ones posted by frontier just to keep my breed group going otherwise I'm dishing out the 2k+ for a female myself :')

So if you see any from Hawthorne Animalia.. those are mine trying to help you out lol.

 

[Mrkoekie1991]

I'm in the middle group and trying to sell those buffalo for normal recommended prices but I feel like people are just buying and relisting. I keep my eye out for the ones posted by frontier just to keep my breed group going otherwise I'm dishing out the 2k+ for a female myself :')

So if you see any from Hawthorne Animalia.. those are mine trying to help you out lol.

You are too kind Yessica, but you are probably just funding the "stock buyers and sellers". When I sold my animal and kept track of it as said... It was reposted so fast. It felt like a bloody computer was doing the job. People are playing the market like AH in MMO's. I supose if thats your thing... Sure. But the problem with this all starting is that people can mass breed animals in secondary zoo's without punishment. You can just max loan and put 10 habitats in it, buy animals ( lions ) with CC and mass farm and sell them. Because the game does not punish you for being bankrupt.

I DESPISE myself for trying this mass farming yesterday after I made the first post. My reasons being that I simply could not keep up with the prices of animals, I couldnt pause my game for one second to expand cuz every second seems to matter to make money so you can actually save up to buy more animals for next week challenge.

So I made 4 habitats and bought for 10 k CC golden lions. all one male and 1 female. In a matter of 2 hours I now am up to 51 golden lions. And already sold over 20-30 because I earned in these 2 hours 30 k CC. ( keep in mind I have 51 still in the habitats now) Basicly 51 x 1000 CC. So in a matter of 2 hours I made 70 k CC.
My park is bankrupt. minus 1 million is dollar debt. But it does not matter, conservation points is all that keep the rolling. Your employees will still work despite you are bankrupt, still getting paid with money that isnt there. Animals can still be fed.

This system NUKED the CC market. If this type of breeding wasnt there, I am sure there was a lot less CC on accounts.Meaning animals would sell for more reasonable prices? speculation( (obviously people would still find a way to farm and not go bankrupt if there was actually punishment for being in negative saldo) But not as much as it would be now...

After I farmed 2 hours yesterday I despised myself so much for taking part in what other people do.. yet again I felt I had no choice If I wanted to keep up. But honestly I went to bed and felt so dissepointed that this seem to be the only way if you want to have enough CC for next week + to buy other nice animals. ( a lot of animals are simply 10 k CC now) ...

..soooo. I quit franchise per of today. This mode is so broken and beyond repair with the current influx of CC people already have. I feel like I did nothing wrong tho. Its not an exploit or bug, the same system was there in planet coaster. Going into negative saldo had no consequenses on your staff. You just couldnt buy stuff anymore. Yet you could still hire 30 addiional staff.... Sigh... But I quit. I am no longer taking part of this illness mode.

I am not first person telling this problem on forum. Yet there seem NO frontier staff replying on this insanely big problem that in my opinion breaks the entire mode. But even if they do fix it by implementing ways that mass farming is no longer viable.... the current ammount of CC on the market is already there. So no fix will probably fix it.

 

[Dae]

The solution is to not care about the contest, to take the time to pause the game, to develop the zoo with species available at a fair price, to grow CC at a normal pace by selling and releasing at a normal price and when wanting a speculated species to take the time to look for good opportunities (I could grab a few giraffes that way to start a breeding program). It's not really enjoyable to spend so much time refreshing the market waiting for an offer from a player of the middle group, but it allows to keep the zoo running and be satisfied to remain in the middle group and continue to sell at normal price in hope that at least some of the animals will reach players that really need them.