Agrees. When it comes to Bio or Geo, even just a simple “Yes” or “No” in the FSS would be enough. In fact I think I might like that better than probabilities.
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Agrees. When it comes to Bio or Geo, even just a simple “Yes” or “No” in the FSS would be enough. In fact I think I might like that better than probabilities.
Only bio and geo PoIs are affected. Bio PoIs must be fast to resolve as they don't rely on the entire body to be generated to be flagged as present/absent.
We went from having a miniscule chance of finding natural PoIs (about the same chance we currently have for finding NSPs) to being 100% certain to find them if they were indicated from first scan. The new method, if the probabilities are tweaked right, could add a bit of excitement. I think that's a fair trade for not having to sit and wait for the PoI to resolve in the FSA (about as exciting as waiting for the old DSS to finish scanning).
So the issue (waiting passively for resolve) will be solved, or at least moved to the DSS phase when we are moderately busy lobbing probes at the planet. The balance of probabilities is a potential new issue, as is what we can find (not that much), what we can do with the results (not much either), and whether we can improve on the probabilities in the future.
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It's solved by populating the system map with the results once they are computed. This now makes people fly all around systems on a maybe and reverses the entire point of the FSS. The DSS is still needed to map a body and locate the POI anyway.
A thing should do what it's designed to do, the end. The FSS is supposed to present whether POI exist or not. Frontier's bug fix is to remove the mechanics that lead to the problem, not solve it.
Clearly something else now impacts planet procedural generation because when the FSS was originally added, it only took a few seconds to report POI.
I would also like to express disappointment with the news that despite being high up on the Issue Tracker for some time, there is no dev time and therefore performance improvements coming for the Pimax or Valve headsets, not to mention any future wide FOV headsets that may come along, such as XTAL and others.
I appreciate the focus on fixing key bugs, but VR is a real strength of the game and especially as we don't seem to be getting any new content, let alone gameplay, until mid-2020 at the earliest. I hope ED will keep up with the times, realise how many people enjoy the game for its VR capability and support the latest tech.
Thanks for listening
Anything that stop thargoids generating multiple shutdown pulses is a good idea.
As I'm fed up with shooting the 3rd heart out, surviving the pulse, then resuming firing only to have a 2nd pulse come in and disable me.
Bill
pity the FSS thing cant run as a background task , generating the data behind the screens before you get round to close scanning the world..... but at 10 secs/world, that job could run for 2mins in the background on a large system
As I'm fed up with shooting the 3rd heart out, surviving the pulse, then resuming firing only to have a 2nd pulse come in and disable me.
Bill
pity the FSS thing cant run as a background task , generating the data behind the screens before you get round to close scanning the world..... but at 10 secs/world, that job could run for 2mins in the background on a large system
Yes. We have to use DSS anyway (wether or not the POI location is generated before hand, it's still a requirement to locate). The new probability system invalidates the discovery overhaul and all the good work that went into it.
We are being expected to fly around systems again, based on chance. Good-oh. Yeah, no thanks. I'd rather have slow, than maybe? no. :/
Yep, I'd sooner keep the FSS exactly how it is today than have FD implement it's proposed changes. I hope they can come up with a better solution.
It does tho. You can scan a planet, then skip to the next one and come back and it's still chugging away.
2-3 minutes to calculate data is still less than flying out to a body 700,000LS+ based purely on odds.
Frontier are solving a delay in results delivery, by making it a chance encounter, instead, at least that's how I read it? Otherwise there's no point.
This seems to be a complete change to how POI are determined, based on chance, rather than the current method (chance means they don't have to wait, presumably). That sounds a lot like RNG, rather than procedural outcomes based on planet generation.
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Exploring was my main occupation in ED untill the long scan times ruined it for me, I actually like the new fss.
All I want to know when I click a planet/moon is if there are POIs and what kind, I don't care about the numbers etc.
If they replace the current long scan times with an estimate of likelyhood then I'm done playing ED.
I'm not going to fly to all bodies in a system with a likelyhood of containing POIs and probe them and find out it's only a water geyser or nothing at all.
This system will negate the fss's functionality completely besides finding engineering mats.
I wanted the long scan times fixed because it takes,.... to long, this new system will take even longer, much longer.
It's not even a fix imho, it's a complete change of mechanic.
All I want to know when I click a planet/moon is if there are POIs and what kind, I don't care about the numbers etc.
If they replace the current long scan times with an estimate of likelyhood then I'm done playing ED.
I'm not going to fly to all bodies in a system with a likelyhood of containing POIs and probe them and find out it's only a water geyser or nothing at all.
This system will negate the fss's functionality completely besides finding engineering mats.
I wanted the long scan times fixed because it takes,.... to long, this new system will take even longer, much longer.
It's not even a fix imho, it's a complete change of mechanic.
Agreed. Can we have a simple yes/no on POI types appear instantly, and then generate the exact totals in 40-60 seconds like they already do? I want actionable information immediately - specifics can wait. Probabilities are stupid and not fun. I'm OK with them if that's what appears initially, provided it then resolves into something more concrete later.
It may yet turn out to be, FDev have said the list is not exhaustive.
It may also be that some issues can be fixed without requiring a public beta test.
We wanted to bring your attention to the following issues, as these will need additional information and testing in the beta to ensure the fixes are working as intended:
FSS: Long delay when scanning planets with geological sites
This is a terrible idea.
I'd much rather wait longer for a solid answer, than get a "maybe" right away.
I already know there "might" be something there, because that's always true. Telling me again that there "might" be something there is useless info.
FSS: Long delay when scanning planets with geological sites
- As it currently stands, in order for the geological/biological sites to be placed on the surface, the entire stellar body must be fully generated (we then know the topography and can place sites where they will be accessible). This can take tens of seconds.
- As part of the January Update, we aim to address this with an alternative process. We have run tests on thousands of in-game planetary bodies and by using this data, we're able to extrapolate the likelihood of geological/biologic sites being present on similar stellar bodies. We then use this data and indicate if the planet is ‘Unlikely’, ‘Likely’, or ‘Very Likely’ to have a geological/biological sites.
- It is not 100% guaranteed that there will be a geological/biological site on the planetary body, but does give commanders a much faster indication of probability. This will enable commanders to quickly ascertain if the planet's worth a visit.
- As this is an alternative way to display information, we would love to hear your feedback on it to determine whether or not it is better than the current process.
- Please note: this will not affect Thargoid or Guardian sites, which will show up instantaneously.
This is a terrible idea.
I'd much rather wait longer for a solid answer, than get a "maybe" right away.
I already know there "might" be something there, because that's always true. Telling me again that there "might" be something there is useless info.
Agreed. As an explorer in Elite I think I'd be done too.
glad to see beta servers are a thing now
Has anyone complained yet about FD using us as unpaid QA?
I'm one of the leaders for Operation Ida, the main group working to repair stations. Is the fix for the delivery bug going to be part of the beta as well? We'd love to put enough work in to grab some stats to confirm whether the fix worked (we know it's been a pain to root-cause it)!
Not yet, but there has been someone complaining about the lack of content for their LEP.
I'm glad they acknowledged the most important bugs, so that's cool. However, 'm not really stoked about the solution to the long loading times with the FSS and geological sites. If there are no geological sites, the planet already loads (almost) instantly. If there are, you gotta wait half a minute to resolve how many. So you already know wether there are geological sites or not. How many there are really isn't a factor for me in deciding wether to go there or not. I would just like the loading times reduced.
This feels like a workaround. So I guess that actually reducing those loading times isn't possible. Ah well
Actually, I don't mind waiting, it just bothers me not knowing if it's biological or geological beforehand. Since I'm only interested in bio ones, all I need to know beforehand is if the sites will resolve a B or G (or both) types.
I'm really glad to hear that you've taken the feed back to heart. Here's hoping for a less buggy experience in the future!