Yes thats true....but so are you and whenever somebody points out real problems and issues you and some others already write em off and wave away valid concerns or facts because they dont match your own message. We could ignore each other or simply accept that and continue to talk with each other. Or we just spew taunts, teasing and outright fantasies that bar any serious conversation. I dont know about you but personally I really TRY to provide an honest insight and reflection of my thoughts. Some of the posts here resemble pure marketing / propaganda material and I dont see my own posts as "hate posts" tho some have tried to twist my words into that.
Of course it does when some trolls come here to tout specifically how SC is "superior" to ED....HERE of all places. Please tell me how that is not a cheap shot? People get defensive on behalf of a video game. So many are invested so heavily that they become agressive or borderline abusive aiming for dominance rather then a discussion.
Your "truth" varies drastically depending on who you speak with because what you deem "tangible" is completely irrelevant to other people who evaluate a product. And if you just disregard people who dont share your view you simply avoid discussion and common ground by labeling everybody else a "hater" or "biased". Every discussion begins with two different or "biased" points of view. I often have the feeling that I m the only person trying to add to the discussion and most others just use whatever I provide to ridicule me or if they cant....just dismiss me as a hater. And they continue to post propaganda even tho THEY SHOULD KNOW the people here dont accept fantastic claims and made-up facts. It all resembles a run-around, we keep going in circles because one party is busy to move the goalpost or just goes with repetitions of arguments that we all know how they turn out.
You describe activities that are important to you. But you seem to be unable to admit or accept that other games provide those exact functionalities already or for years. Star Citizen isnt unqiue or even special in that regard. It might be special to "you" specifically because of whatever factors but all the things you list are not ground-breaking, are not extraordinary and ultimately are just old stuff in new clothes. I can accept that Star Citizen enthralls you specifically but thats not because the product is "superior". Its because it has perceived qualities that are important to you.
And so far almost nobody was able to provide reasons for that. The most used argument is "fun" because god knows Star Citizen cannot convince on a technical level or even has content that would make it a rival to other games.
Fun is an almost irrefutable defense. But its not a demonstration of superiority or even quality. We established that already quiet clearly. There is no "problem" with people having fun in Star Citizen. Nobody denies them this "fun". But when "fun" becomes the main argument to answer questions about capability, competence or technical quality in the project you must wonder if you adress people who even understand the question in the first place or if you talk to a propaganda drone that simply shouts over every argument of yours to continue with the shilling.
You could say that yes, SC still requires lots of work, yes it did waste a lot of time and resources and yes, the foundation looks shaky but BY GOD....you still enjoy it and you know that would be a post that nobody would challenge and you might even trigger interest from people who try to see YOUR side of the argument. But instead every fact that we know is challenged and countered, often to a degree that suggest delusion or fanaticism on a level that earned SC the #notacult label in the first place. Is it fanboys? Its possible but SC arguments are too personal...too agressive and in many cases look like marketing work.
You already admit that other people have different views yet your make a statement that disregards other peoples opinions and you claim that your own is the only true one without making the critical differentiation (....for me) instead you suggest that everybody else is wrong and cant see the truth. But you are not posting the truth or facts. You are just posting what you like and automatically assume thats only what matters.
What ice cream is "the best"? Which color is "the best"? Did you ever try to come up with a rating system for these question that allow for an absolute answer? I m sure you have an answer but that answer is based on your personal taste, not because your chosen answer is "superior" or "better" in any way that would be measurable or verifiable.
Video games are exactly like that. Every single video game ever released was like that. You have people who like a game and people who dont like it. Other people dont care for it and again some consider it the best game ever. It ll be impossible to bring all these people onto common ground.
So ratings include ways to evaluate a games qualities that are not dependant on peoples likes or dislikes. A game is evaluated for its visual representation, its stability, its complexity, the balance, technical foundation and so on. Because they represent FACTS rather then taste. Even if I dont like a game it STILL will have certain qualities that I cannot deny or argue away. I can say that I dont care for those qualities but the game will still have them.
Talking with Star Citizen fans I often have the impression that TASTE is the critical factor when we actually have a discussion about quality. Its the equivalent to asking "whats 2+2?" and you answer with "I like blue". And suddenly because you like what you see in SC its bigger, better, more complex, deeper and whatnot then any other game. That is the fundamental problem in any SC discussion. Every time you see that claim that "SC is already better then any other game" you know who you talk to. Best case scenario its a fanboy and historically fanboys provide very poor insight and arguments to any discssion because of their extreme bias. My own bias has very specific reasons and is based on a history of facts and reality. The fanboys bias is mostly made up due to a distorted view on the subject or a knee-jerk reaction to defende their chosen game against a perceived "attack".
I dont understand everything regarding SC because I dont have a coding, project or development background but I know how poopoo smells and have handled poopoo talkers a lot in my life. A LOT surrounding Star Citizens smells and looks like poopoo to me. Marketing speech is expected to blow up average qualities into awesome and talk down issues or tries to gloss it over. The trick is to tune out marketing speech and focus on the important things else you come back home and realize you have purchased a pile of steaming poo-poo.
The problem is that the only pro-arguments for SC are the propaganda and personal taste.
All of us who still post here after all those years just continue to play "the game" of ring-around because we have laid out our views and our arguments in great detal already, often multiple times. Whats left is a pool of clever and often not so clever taunts and teasing and occasional cheap shots or trolling attempts.
I dont have a problem with people who like Star Citizen. But I do have a problem with people lying or making up stuff in order to gloss over problems or issues and I really dislike the lack of respect to all the teams who have produced all of the "lesser" games before SC. And the same people who show that lack of respect (by shamelessly bashing games for all kinds of made-up reasons) have the nerve to ask for more understanding on behalf of the hard-working devs at CIG. Hypocracy at its finest. The fact that accepting a shilled version of Star Citizen or leave it unchallenged can lead to a real loss of mooney when people who believe the propaganda or false claims end up paying money for it. In SCs case sometimes EXTREME amounts. That you have disposable income doesnt make a 400$ pixel ship in a video game "cheap" or a "good investment" LOL sorry thats simply delusional and cannot be justified. You can still buy it if you want, its your money after all but please dont try to justify your decision and call everybody else hater or other stuff when they shake their head in bewilderment.
And somehow people have a problem with ME having a negative view of SC. They could disregard me, they could ignore me but instead I get challenged with laughable made-up theories or fantastic claims, often called all kind of things and even clear facts are questioned....its like talking to a fricking child that just sings "LALALA" as loud as it can. Sometimes I feel the urge to slap some sense into it.
We dont need to fight each other or demonize each other over Star Citizen. SC fans see the "cult" or "fanatic" usage as a personal attack when in reality its not aimed at THEM, its aimed at the very real cultish and fanatical behavior demonstrated in the community. Its quantifiable, its observable and there is no comment section that doesnt demonstrate SCcult in full swing.
So you cant convince me, and you know it. The same counts the other way around. But you see that when you adress me in an appropriate manner we can have an exchange that is something else then just ridicule or attempts of dominance. And whatever we agree on doesnt matter one iota if Star Citizen doesnt back up our census.
I am not saying "Star Citizen WILL SUCK". I am saying it sucks "right now" and there are very specific reasons for that. Most people arguing on behalf of Star Citizen make the claim "Star Citizen WILL BE THE BEST GAME EVER" even tho they know exactly as much as I do. Irreftuable problems and issues are disregarded or sidelined because "its an alpha" and "CIG will eventually make it happen" and you wonder why people refer to SC fans as cultists? And when you come across the people who admit that CIG migth very well fail ultimately but "they are still the best for simply trying to make it" you know exactly who you are talking to....right?
