Ah, so only SC backers know what makes a good space game! Everyone else and those who disagree are wrong!
Glad we got that cleared up.
Star Citizen Discussion Thread v11
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Ah, so only SC backers know what makes a good space game! Everyone else and those who disagree are wrong!
Glad we got that cleared up.
I'd be surprised if MS were willing to bail out CR again. Last time they had to as they funded it. This time they are free to steer well clear.
Nice, although its lower than my bet we had on the SA forums. I went for 260. Citizens have really let me down. But i suppose after the lackluster con and having no new big concept ship missing associated gameplay for sale for hundreds of dollars, it probably impacted things.
C'mon, I didn't need to add </s> at the end of that!
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Flying around in my Cat and decided I was going to sleep in the bed and log out.
Came back later to resume. Logged in and stood up from the bed. Clipped out of the ship and was suddenly doing an EVA.
Logged back out.
I love the idea of SC, but the execution really does leave a lot to be desired.
Came back later to resume. Logged in and stood up from the bed. Clipped out of the ship and was suddenly doing an EVA.
Logged back out.
I love the idea of SC, but the execution really does leave a lot to be desired.
Dear sir, first, as it was mentioned earlier, there are lots of games that do that better than SC. Second, there is one thing SC fails to deliver: gameplay. There is no point interacting with your ship, upgrading components, seeing new weapons, etc, if there is no gameplay. Therefore, SC has no point. I want to play, not to experience.
Yes, and SC isn't in the list.
I laughed uproariously when they first mentioned prison gameplay...but after that video, I'm more content to see how it eventually turns out. It might actually be fun. As SC stands, it's probably one of the more complete gameplay loops...career criminal springs to mind here.
What's the betting that Sovapid spends a lot of time in there
Yup, had that a lot recently...it was broken in one of the latest patches and not been fixed yet...it's very strange having to EVA back to your own ship after waking up and getting out of bed...it only seems to effect the Caterpillar too, or at least it's all I've noticed since I fly the Cat more than anything else
They changed something about the viewpoint when you're lying down..for whatever reason...and it's broken quite a bit with the whole bed logout and get up mechanism. Sometimes it bugs out the logout contextual inner thought thing, especially in the Connies for some reason. When lying on the bed, you can't focus on the text to activate it as it's way above where you can focus your gaze when holding the F key. It's more annoying because it worked in previous patches but the logout/login from the ship bed wasn't reliable enough to be used.
I'm hoping it's fixed in 3.8 at least since I use the bed logout and login quite a lot.
Talking of Caterpillars, I made a new friend in game tonight, an outrageously funny Dutch chap. We met at one of the haunts for Cat pilots to top up with Titanium, since he had a standard Cat, we were comparing the paint jobs between his and my pirate Cat.
He mentioned that being Dutch, he would like to paint a slogan on the side of his that read..'We love wearing wooden shoes'...I suggested since mine was the pirate version, I could have 'I stole these wooden shoes from a Dutchman' written on the side...
He insisted that I should add 'Stole these wooden shoes from a sleeping Dutchman, because if he'd been awake, he'd have kicked me in the clangers with those wooden shoes'
We had a great laugh the rest of the night just playing silly burgers trying out (semi-working) stuff we both normally don't do...nice addition to the friends list I'd say
So far, the friends list reads:
97 assorted Europeans from Spaniards to Italians, Dutch, French, Belgians, Vikings, Danes and Germans...
US: 10...
UK and Ireland: 5
... (guess the rest prefer FIFA)Aussies and Kiwis: 4...
Japanese: 1... (Met Hiroaki on the Aussie servers, his 'Engrish' is almost as bad as my Japanese...but I love that he always refers to me as Moley-san)
Hong Kong Chinese: 2...
A fairly eclectic mix of nutters.
...and 2 Russians idiots who are improving my ability to swear fluently in Russian over VOIP no end...
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What's the betting that Sovapid spends a lot of time in there
I was framed!
Oh, a truth peddler. At least he says so... It must therefore be true.
Pretty intangible statement...
Like what? Giving input commands? Never done before.
Components? Go ahead, use general abstract stuff that can mean anything...
Doesn't strike me as groundbreaking stuff. A lot of games work on selecting different gear for gameplay.
I guess there must be more. MUCH more. Right: The truth.
What's that supposed to mean. Killcam?
Getting a bit incoherent there. Would you not rather stick to the not so obvious entries from "The Flat-Earther's Cookbook"? We need more meat.
A cargo look feature? These days camera views get sold as innovations, I guess.
Whoa, you said it was the truth and now deliver such an untruth. Disappointing.
I would have never imagined that other games could do that. It's a revelation for us all. Thank you.
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That's fine.
Dude! Tag that NSFW!
New Kraken Privateer limited only concept ...Another org-
Fortunately, most of those idiots are locked safely away in Orgs to separate them from the otherwise fairly normal folk who deal with the realities of a rapidly failing and increasingly stagnant Star Citizen development instead of the persistent and utterly nonsensical Eve-with-cockpits org dreamcrafting. If wishes were dreams, we'd all be flying Idris's
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Its also true and I m not sure thats a laughing matter. Congratulating CIG on the funding tracker is such trollish and also useless statement. First off CIG didnt do anything in that regard. Congratulations would go to the BACKERS who made that funding tracker a reality....IF it is true and not just a marketing tool. Second the momentary influx of new money is again completely based on promises and expected future events, not for delivered results. I continue to see such things with concern because they continue to hold the potential for abuse.
If you cared to follow or rather....remember past events CIG has made promises, received lots of money and failed to deliver on time or in full several times already. So your statement really tells more about you, your knowledge and your general attitude then it does about CIG or SC.
You misunderstand. If you do an analysis "fun and taste" are completely useless and can change on a whim depending on your current mood, or the company you are with. You can have your fun but if you make these main criteria your analysis is next to useless because it cannot be applied for anybody else except yourself with your very specific list of factors involved. Reviews that simply state "its super fun" are also super useless, either written because the person didnt understand the question OR because he doesnt have anything else to say about it. Its not so much that I talk in a negative way about these things rather I simply disregard them because they really have not much meaning in evaluating a products quality on a neutral scale.
But I dont deny people having fun. Some people even intrigue me making me ask "what specifically is fun for you in SC?" because perspective can change depending on views you didnt realize were there. But of course not everybody can be asked that because propaganda drones just use the opportunity to completely sidestep the intention and continue droning on with non-answers and fluff.
We had the statement "You cant come here and declare you like Star Citizen without being attacked for it" and that too is a misinterpretation. When people start to "drill" you about your statements its not because they dont allow enjoyment of Star Citizen. Its because you probably used your personal enjoyment to wrongly evaluate Star Citizens qualities either because you dont know how to express them or because you get yourself blinded by fun. And following up with explanations like "its better then ED already" or "its the best ever" is not and also not accepted as a rational response just because you feel under attack by people responding. This thread can be a bit overwhelming in this regard because a newcomer will very likely receive a lot of replies from different people which can feel like "they are ganging up on me" but seriously, thats on you and how you perceive it not because thats whats happening. And derailing into ridicule, counterattacks or simple disregard only helps to degenerate the discussion.
"I have fun and THATS why SC is a better game then any other" is a nonsensical statement and useless in assessing the games qualities. If I want to know about specific criteria the answer "its fun" doesnt tell me anything because I dont know you.
Some people have followed up by specific examples listing all the things they perceive as fun and the reality of the matter is that what Star Citizen does is by no means groundbreaking or even innovative because all the things brought up exist in other games, have already existed and for the most part copy existing features from other games. Personally I refuse to praise and admit CIG "innovative progress" when there is nothing that would qualify for that praise or admittance. So the replies given have been examined, evaluated and for the most part disregarded (not all of course) without changing anybodies mind. Thats not a problem. Scientific discussions go the same way and I doubt very much the involved scientists could be labeled "fanboys" or "haters".
So difference in opinion will very likely continue to exist within Star Citizen until it eventually gets out of alpha and delivers an assessable product. Current evaluations are about the Early Access or Alpha state. They become void (or confirmed) whenever SC releases and becomes available for a store prize rather then a pledge funding support. The problem with alpha is that the defender use the term to play down or even trivialize existing issues and thus perceive criticism as a sabotage attempt reacting in kind (often hostile). That its an alpha doesnt make the current AI implementation less of an issue nor is it making other problems "okay".
"Its an alpha" really is used like a mantra these days immediately managing to disregard and deflect valid concerns. And people become irritated or even agressive because others dont "let go" and continue "hating" on the project.
I am negative towards Star Citizen but I have followed the project since early days and have observed events in real time. My view and opinion is ignored or outright called "hating" not because what I say or offer as explanation is blind hating bit simply because I m negative...even tho I could very well be correct. And I have read, evaluated and integrated counter replies into my own posts.
On the other hand I talk to people who hold up their praise and celebration like a shield and who dsimiss and disregard shockingly obvious issues or deny past events because they dont fit their narrative. Memory gets distorted, interpretation used for mind gymnastics often leading to criteria that are "great" for SC but "bad" for other games at the same time. The sad truth is that you cannot talk to these people because they are fanatical and unable to remain objective about it. Its easy to slip into "defense mode" and there is a real possebility that you are being trolled regardless your stance towards SC.....the project is THAT much of a meme already.
"i have fun" is a statement thats certainly true because you are the only one who can answer that question in the first place. Thats all it is tho, it doesnt say anything about Star Citizen. Because I m sure you realize that other people have "fun" in ED and why would your take on the comparison be more correct then theirs? Thats why we continue to talk past the terms of "fun". And for the record as some people seem to see me as some kind of "ED fanboy". I dont even play Elite (anymore). I have played it years ago, probably not more then 30 hours total and that was enough for an impression and decision. I didnt stop playing because "ED is shallow" or bad or anything. It remains as promising and awe-inspiring as ever to me. But the truth is that ED is not "fun" to me. That doesnt mean its bad or boring. I continue to uphold ED as really great game even tho its not fun. As you can see these things can exist together if you remain objective about the topic.
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I laughed uproariously when they first mentioned prison gameplay...but after that video, I'm more content to see how it eventually turns out. It might actually be fun. As SC stands, it's probably one of the more complete gameplay loops...career criminal springs to mind here.
What's the betting that Sovapid spends a lot of time in there
That CIG incurs in criminal / prison "gameplay" before other more key expected elements could actually turn out to be very freudian in nature
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Yeah, not that the funds tracker specifically has been audited and confirmed accurate by any reliable independent party yet, but hey. If it is as accurate as the "Citizens" counter suggests then it is going to be quite interesting to say the least.
But let´s asume for a minute it is actually accurate. 7-8 years on I wonder for how long the relevant authorities can still give a pass to a company that continues selling a product and accepts payments to the tune of hundreds of millions by means of a product description that may be actually misleading buyers, for something that does not even have an estimated release date in sight after all those years.
Also, given the current state of the project after 250 millions and complete creative freedom without publishers, I do not think more money is necessarilly going to fix it.
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New Kraken Privateer limited only concept ...Another org-circle-wan*...circle-jerkmobile of a ship costing a ridiculous $1700+, between 2 years and never-never land from completion that has absolutely no realistic associated context or gameplay sold out within minutes. There's idiots born every one of those minutes apparently...
Fortunately, most of those idiots are locked safely away in Orgs to separate them from the otherwise fairly normal folk who deal with the realities of a rapidly failing and increasingly stagnant Star Citizen development instead of the persistent and utterly nonsensical Eve-with-cockpits org dreamcrafting. If wishes were dreams, we'd all be flying Idris's
Jebus wept.
And its still concept for a feature that doesn't actually exist yet.
I think we have to accept that the funding tracker is at least broadly true, otherwise CIG would have gone bankrupt a long time ago.
Nope.
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