New animal - Dolphins

[paul78]

As much as I’d love to see orcas in game I’m not going to count on it. I know planet coaster players have wanted water park expansion dlc for a long time. Me personally I’m ok with pc the way it is. In planet zoo I’d be more then happy with otters,seals,and maybe a giant octopus or something. Besides it could always open options for a sea world type game if we
don’t get it. I’ve already heard people discussing a planet splash game to please pc players but I guess will have to wait and see.

 

[Tuky]

@keiikoa Yeah, just imagine how beautiful they would be

@paul78 Well, I dont know anything about the technical aspect of the game, but Planet Zoo is not Planet Coaster and I think they did plan marine animals in from the start. Sure, I could be wrong about that, but you can pretty much already build tanks.

The only things missing are a special entrance and animals who can live in there.

But I also guess we wont see them to up about a year (maybe for PZ first anniversary?) or later. Probaly its harder to model them and animate them right. Personaly I also dont need shows, so without that it would even be easier. And if they dont plan on letting the guests swim it would be even easier, I guess.

So considering whats already possible in PZ, I have high hopes for them adding marine animals in the future. If they did make a new game only for that in future I would totally buy that - but honestly I think it would be much easier and cheaper for them to just add them into PZ.

I can only repeat myself - I dont know if they will add them, but I will wait for orcas as long as I have to. Until they either do add them or they end support for PZ.

But we will see
Anyways its probaly important that people who want members of the doplhin family in the game voice their opinion, so that Frontier sees they are actually desired by many. So that shouldnt they have them planed in already, they will at least think about it

 

[Ixantir]

1. Glad the morality of cetacean animals is already here. Planet zoo already has the concepts of rehabilitation (sort of) in place, we release animals to the wild. The piece I find "realistically difficult" is multi faceted and one reason we may not see small whales and dolphins in game: The amount of space you would realistically need in order for that animal to be fully happy as a "wild animal" living in a zoo. Realistically; we would need the ability to make VERY large habitats even just for smaller cetaceans such as dolphins as in the wild they swim for miles upon miles. You could literally create a habitat that spanned the length of the rest of your zoo and this may not entirely accommodate the distances the animal wants to swim. And in terms of game mechanics at that point you are probably also running multiple water pumps even to keep the whole area clean. Additionally there's no filtration system for things like salt water and such.
Having actually been able to see Keiko back when he was in the Newport Aquarium. I've since been through that same habitat as its now a walk through shark and fish habitat. It IS relatively small and Keiko did swim mostly in circles. He had enrichment but was only there while a rehabilitation facility was being built.
2. Aquatic animals that could be kept from a moral standpoint for educational purposes as well as rehabilitation would include octopus, and maybe cuttlefish. Squid returns in many species to the size issue. Though possibly the Humboldt? they are however a pack animal and eat krill in the most fantastic way.Being able to see a krill storm in would be rather amazing, though the humboldt is a nocturnal hunter and you wouldn't really want too many foreign lights disturbing them. again that would beg the question of having enough space to create both a view-able feeding area without having the rather active squids break the glass, and a viewing area where people COULD actually see it. Various Fish species wouldn't be too hard to use the above idea to create space for.We don't have as many small rock pieces or a gravel bed yet. Coral and aquatic plants as any part of such a DLC would be helpful. I'm sure these could be added to Nature/Aquatic with a little ease and would count towards the animals plant want/coverage. Jelly fish/jellies pretty much don't notice if they are wild or being fed by an aquarium because well they are jellies so care for them is fairly simple.
3. Different sized exhibits and vivariums would be great for aquatic dlc. A touch/tide pool area would be fascinating though plausibly hard to implement(The depicted one being from the Newport Aquarium in Oregon). Species like anemones, shrimp, clown fish, crabs and even octopus are roughly all "Exhibit" sized animals that could be mounted into walls. the Round exhibit featuring some small fish as well as the jelly fish would be neat to see. I would also doubt that we will see whale sharks again due to size and range (They are baleen feeders that swim quite a ways). To some degree the reasonable amount of space you would need for sharks may actually limit them as well in an aquatic dlc. Though smaller sharks maybe for exhibit animals. not sure how enrichment would work for such species. If you notice the rather HUGE tank with not one but TWO whale sharks and even manta rays, another animal I don't know that there's a realistic way to represent their need for movement within the confines of a video game, it is quite sizable. I also feel like the game would need stronger glass barriers? Or you would want to have your mechanics on monthly repairs.

 

[Kaan]

1. Glad the morality of cetacean animals is already here. Planet zoo already has the concepts of rehabilitation (sort of) in place, we release animals to the wild. The piece I find "realistically difficult" is multi faceted and one reason we may not see small whales and dolphins in game: The amount of space you would realistically need in order for that animal to be fully happy as a "wild animal" living in a zoo. Realistically; we would need the ability to make VERY large habitats even just for smaller cetaceans such as dolphins as in the wild they swim for miles upon miles. You could literally create a habitat that spanned the length of the rest of your zoo and this may not entirely accommodate the distances the animal wants to swim. And in terms of game mechanics at that point you are probably also running multiple water pumps even to keep the whole area clean. Additionally there's no filtration system for things like salt water and such.

I disagree with you on this. So why? To be honest, how much space an wild animal wants cannot be calculated. and I can't say the game is right about it. I think the game is not realistic about the space requirement of animals. Elephants and giraffes are animals that go for miles. But, in zoos, these animals have limited areas and cannot move much. therefore, elephants have foot problems. none of the animals in zoos or aquariums is perfect. Let's not lie to each other about this.
I want them to add killer whales and dolphins to this game. in the game probably the area they want would be a larger area than the Miami Seaquarium.

 

[Old Duck]

The Dolphin is a wonderful ship!

Oh wait, wrong forum..

 

[NL_Mutso]

As much as I’d love to see orcas in game I’m not going to count on it. I know planet coaster players have wanted water park expansion dlc for a long time. Me personally I’m ok with pc the way it is. In planet zoo I’d be more then happy with otters,seals,and maybe a giant octopus or something. Besides it could always open options for a sea world type game if we
don’t get it. I’ve already heard people discussing a planet splash game to please pc players but I guess will have to wait and see.

More the reason I think that it would be a different game with mixed elements from PC and PZ...

But if PC gets a water park expansion dlc, the chances for a marine dlc for PZ would improve.

 

[Ixantir]

I disagree with you on this. So why? To be honest, how much space an wild animal wants cannot be calculated. and I can't say the game is right about it. I think the game is not realistic about the space requirement of animals. Elephants and giraffes are animals that go for miles. But, in zoos, these animals have limited areas and cannot move much. therefore, elephants have foot problems. none of the animals in zoos or aquariums is perfect. Let's not lie to each other about this.
I want them to add killer whales and dolphins to this game. in the game probably the area they want would be a larger area than the Miami Seaquarium.

Elephants don't suffer mass depression, nor self harm because they are kept in a zoo in most cases. Several zoos even have herds of them, they will actually be comfortable and happy within a zoo even reproducing. The AZA standards wholly apply to most organizations keeping them. This is not something that is EVEN remotely viable in the realworld; Seaquariums are horrible institutions, the Miami one coming to mind has had multiple animal deaths.
As well the way in which one acquires the two animals ARE COMPLETELY different. Most elephants are capitively bred and traded between zoos or are rescues because of poaching, deforestation, or other injury and cannot be released to the wild do to disability or other conditions that would keep them from surviving. Because Orcas DO NOT BREED in zoos and will not be comfortable in a glass and concrete TANK that amplifies noise pollution and drives them crazy, they have to be forcibly captured and torn from family pods. I get that PZ is a video game, but they also base themselves upon the real world to some degree. Cetaceans are currently hugely controversial. If you even think to mention dolphins or other small whales I will point to the inhumanity that is Taiji Japan.
So, forgive the bias but I will entirely agree to disagree. Even within my own research in regards to this topic, having seen Keiko as a child, I have been to and looked at the google maps size of the old pen.Even though it was a temporary situation, the habitat he was in was not much better than various seaquariums and was entirely too small.

 

[Firestar97]

Because Orcas DO NOT BREED in zoos and will not be comfortable in a glass and concrete TANK that amplifies noise pollution and drives them crazy, they have to be forcibly captured and torn from family pods.

Orcas do breed in Captivity. I agree that at least Tanks for Bottlenose Dolphins seem to be too small and doesn't look very good (can't say the same about Orca Tanks at the Moment because there are no captive Orcas in Germany and I would first need to look at Pictures)
Think about it this way: At least some Tanks in Real life aren't very big, but in Planet Zoo you could build a Tank for them that is much better. You could make everything better that is wrong in most Parks that keep them.

I would really like a Level in Career-Mode where the Mission is to make a Park that has too small Tanks suitable for the Animals trough making the Tanks bigger and change some other Things

 

[Kaan]

Elephants don't suffer mass depression, nor self harm because they are kept in a zoo in most cases. Several zoos even have herds of them, they will actually be comfortable and happy within a zoo even reproducing. The AZA standards wholly apply to most organizations keeping them. This is not something that is EVEN remotely viable in the realworld; Seaquariums are horrible institutions, the Miami one coming to mind has had multiple animal deaths.
As well the way in which one acquires the two animals ARE COMPLETELY different. Most elephants are capitively bred and traded between zoos or are rescues because of poaching, deforestation, or other injury and cannot be released to the wild do to disability or other conditions that would keep them from surviving. Because Orcas DO NOT BREED in zoos and will not be comfortable in a glass and concrete TANK that amplifies noise pollution and drives them crazy, they have to be forcibly captured and torn from family pods. I get that PZ is a video game, but they also base themselves upon the real world to some degree. Cetaceans are currently hugely controversial. If you even think to mention dolphins or other small whales I will point to the inhumanity that is Taiji Japan.
So, forgive the bias but I will entirely agree to disagree. Even within my own research in regards to this topic, having seen Keiko as a child, I have been to and looked at the google maps size of the old pen.Even though it was a temporary situation, the habitat he was in was not much better than various seaquariums and was entirely too small.

I disagree again. I am against water parks but not approved facilities. Although not as much as zoos, there are approved water facilities. There are water facilities that are approved by AZA and contain killer whales and dolphins. I won't give a name because it's going to turn into politics.
This is basically the same for both animals. Elephants walk for miles, killer whales swim for miles in water. I think that's even enough.

Most elephants are capitively bred and traded between zoos

the same goes for killer whales...

Elephants don't suffer mass depression, nor self harm

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAgYdTGm-S4

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8rcRkdS164

I also saw a video of a group of elephants in the zoo shouting and going crazy and attacking a single elephant. I saw the desperation of that elephant, and my heart fell apart. Because there is no place to escape. if it weren't for the employees, they probably would have killed that elephant.

I'm sick of people who ignore things. Especially when it comes to killer whales and dolphins "Captivity, Captivity!" but when it comes to other animals, you ignore everything.
What does this game have to do with Taiji Japan? I would like to report that this applies to other animals. You probably saw Blackfish and believed in him. I do not want to extend this issue any more. there are many ways to add them to the game. what matters is how the theme is handled. but I think it would be better to make a separate game. Like Planet Aquarium. but there are people in the zoo who want to see both the elephant and the killer whale, so the DLC makes more sense.