Star Citizen Discussion Thread v11
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But SOCS is needed for persistance.They added notable structural changes, to which V4 planetary tech & 1 planetary addition don't really hold a candle (they're comparatively minor extensions of those former steps). SOCS likewise doesn’t seem to be a large step change. CIG needs the former type, and for those steps to hold true... (The PU still has notable issues with collision detection etc involved in much of the glitch death. Which presumably stem from the 'large map' 64-bit positioning & the physics grid system, exacerbated by the networking. If these fundamentals are never ironed out what these core systems added to the game world is just a foundation of quicksand...)
They need to start capping some of these things off. They need some proof in the concept. Before they hit Duke Nukem Forever time-frames. Which they are definitely approaching.
Or at least, you need them to, for your certainty about the server meshing promised land to ring somewhat truer
There is a huge difference between: 'I want things now' & 'I want signs that they can deliver what they've sold within a ten year period...'
Buuuut it doesn't. Did you pull the 80k out of your ass ? Peak also seems to be 18k :O Liar Liar PANTS on FIAR.
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Oh boy....Buuuut it doesn't. Did you pull the 80k out of your ? Peak also seems to be 18k :O Liar Liar PANTS on FIAR.
Steamcharts shows hourly concurrent. I was talking about number of players per fortnight. Those are two different metrics
From back when Steamspy's pages were fully public (Patreon sub not required):
NMS was at first sold on false promises, ED also made some pretty bold promises that they never delivered I still remember those videos Braben made... Ohh the glorious gas atmos flying mmmm and walkable ship interiors. good old lying kickstarter times.
Liar Liar PANTS on FIAR.
Come on man, this sort of kneejerk response where you call other people out despite you being in the wrong is not a good look.
If you are using that number then there is no point in even comparing anythingOh boy....
Steamcharts shows hourly concurrent. I was talking about number of players per fortnight. Those are two different metrics
From back when Steamspy's pages were fully public (Patreon sub not required):
Are those unique players where does it get its unique player data from seems to be the only place compiling it would like to see sources. We might as well compare total backers then. Point is using 2 week player count is only there to make it seem better fact is monthly Average is still 6k.
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About as interactive as ED, you can fly anywhere you want you can mine you can land. That's as much as ED can do rn
Thats not true in Sc you habe to jump to the poi aka OM
If you are using that number then there is no point in even comparing anything
You can also just fly to the planet without POI that exactly how you find the non marked drug dens that are hidden on some planets for drug trade. OM are only there for faster movement.
Can you link a video Braben made of "walkable ship interiors" during the Kickstarter
I'm an Alpha backer and that's news to me
Seems odd when you consider the FAQ still online here:
Elite: Dangerous
Take a ship and 100 credits to make money legally or illegally - trade, bounty-hunt, pirate, assassinate your way across the galaxy.
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Yes, but not in the initial release. The core release of the game focusses on the ships and space. We'll then be working to expand the game. This includes exploring your ship and space stations. The potential content for Elite is huge,so we're keeping a sensible strategy to add to the game in stages
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Theres a future of ED video where one of the devs says he Hope's to one day "walk around" space stations but that was after the games release. How very dare he?
In contrast. If I start watching the Ten for the chairmen videos today and watch end to end.,I wont finish watching until some time next week..hours and hours of Robert's talking about what's not in the game
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The Future? “It’s on the list….”
UPDATED: 21st October 2018 To view the most recent updates to this page visit the Blog Update page. As with all game development plans, schedules and features can and do change, so this list is by …
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One of the quote
Check out the videos and progress so far. Reality is they have also no delivered on promises.(Also a pre release backer here didn't have money for the Alpha pack tho). I was also keeping track and hoping Elite will be something more. Also Don't tell me that Horizons wasn't a massive dissapointment and over promise. Fact is Elite doesnt bring in cash the team is focusing on the other games that their studio is developing that bring in more money.
Where are the updates?? 3 years ago horizons nothing else so far. We will get Carriers that you can't fly. Not expecting much from the big update at the end of 2020 also.
He said it will happen with time, If you can wait for Elite to add those things for years then why can't you do the same for SC. Elite chose to rush core gameplay and release. SC chose to build a foundation that can support everything on release(Hopefully it wont fail, it might). But Elite has already failed on those promises, maybe we will get somthing good in the next Big Paid Update.
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Imagine, at the tail end of 2019, comparing what DB said and accomplished to what CR said and accomplished and still thinking SC is more 'game' than ED.
Good grief.
Also, CI`g financials showing they spend more than they aquire by an ever increasing amount isn't actually good or stable or healthy in any way, shape, or form. The only time I've seen this before in a company was in 2005, the owner used company reserves and business loans to buy a house and 'retired' barely a year before the company was handed over to administration. It wasn't a good time and repercussions happened.
Good grief.
Also, CI`g financials showing they spend more than they aquire by an ever increasing amount isn't actually good or stable or healthy in any way, shape, or form. The only time I've seen this before in a company was in 2005, the owner used company reserves and business loans to buy a house and 'retired' barely a year before the company was handed over to administration. It wasn't a good time and repercussions happened.
No I don't think that XD I just showed that SC isn't the only one making big promises. I didn't make the first comparison. I just showed the hypocrisy. If SC fails well then they will have both failed to deliver their promises.Imagine, at the tail end of 2019, comparing what DB said and accomplished to what CR said and accomplished and still thinking SC is more 'game' than ED.
Good grief.
Also, CI`g financials showing they spend more than they aquire by an ever increasing amount isn't actually good or stable or healthy in any way, shape, or form. The only time I've seen this before in a company was in 2005, the owner used company reserves and business loans to buy a house and 'retired' barely a year before the company was handed over to administration. It wasn't a good time and repercussions happened.
The Future? “It’s on the list….”
UPDATED: 21st October 2018 To view the most recent updates to this page visit the Blog Update page. As with all game development plans, schedules and features can and do change, so this list is by …
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Check out the videos and progress so far. Reality is they have also no delivered on promises.(Also a pre release backer here didn't have money for the Alpha pack tho). I was also keeping track and hoping Elite will be something more. Also Don't tell me that Horizons wasn't a massive dissapointment and over promise. Fact is Elite doesnt bring in cash the team is focusing on the other games that their studio is developing that bring in more money.
Where are the updates?? 3 years ago horizons nothing else so far. We will get Carriers that you can't fly. Not expecting much from the big update at the end of 2020 also.
He said it will happen with time, If you can wait for Elite to add those things for years then why can't you do the same for SC. Elite chose to rush core gameplay and release. SC chose to build a foundation that can support everything on release(Hopefully it wont fail, it might). But Elite has already failed on those promises, maybe we will get somthing good in the next Big Paid Update.
That isn't quite what you implied above though.
To be fair, perhaps due to the backlash of salty Star Citizen fans calling Braben a liar, Frontier have dialed back all of the promises to the extent where people on these forums scream at them for not annoncing new content and being more open.
I think the difference is that Star Citizen implies these things will be in from the outset and continues to upsell assets for an unreleased game based entirely on the marketing of future content.
One of these companies seems to have learnt from past mistakes, the other is praised and renumerated on the back of them
And I bet he didn’t refund!Aye, they conveniently forget that David Braben is an SC kickstart backer too...
SC was fully funded and hit the "last stretch goal we will add" at $61M? That included 100 star systems, all the ships, etc, etc
I know that then leads into the sub-routine of "but the backers voted to expand the scope...", which we all know does not stand up to scrutiny.
Where is the BMM?
I know that then leads into the sub-routine of "but the backers voted to expand the scope...", which we all know does not stand up to scrutiny.
Where is the BMM?
Myself and Nowak were discussing players over a week/fortnight, because he brought up SC players during 1 week:If you are using that number then there is no point in even comparing anything
Are you even following the conversation or just jumping in with random fury?
Well, ED seems to actually have most of what it initially promised, and more importantly is an actual reliably playable game that just works on it's own merits. If ED was still in a dev stage where it was a few unconnected 'modules' and was selling Pythons for $1000+ then I'd imagine there would be uproar, but Fdev are not crooks.
I can't speak for all of ED's players/backers, but from my own perspective I just wanted an updated 'Elite', I got wayyyyy more than that so I can grant a good bit of leeway to DB for planning extra stuff that has been delayed, and for what I put into purchasing ED (just retail cost what ever that was) I reckon it was a sore Richard deal. The big thing is that Fdev have proven to deliver, their product has hit the market, it did what it said on the tin, and there's no sneaky slimey marketing encouraging ridiculous '$1000+ purchase' cash shops that sell ships required for gameplay.
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