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Very happy to thanks. It has some terrible aspects.

I don’t need to play it to see that P2W is written into its DNA. Or that its monetisation system is exceptionally dubious. Or that they’ve promised the world but only delivered a shonky pre-alpha to date. There’s a litany of reasons for not taking a punt on it which are entirely visible from the outside.

PS your post is strangely missing a case for why SC’s FPS AI isn’t awful. Does it suddenly transform the minute you submit $45?
This is a joke, but it quite literally did for me. I watched some 890 jump mission gameplay from several people, like Boredgamer and the such, the big Youtubers for SC. Every time, The A.I. sat around doing literally nothing, in a corner blaire witch style, or inside one another not reacting to the player. So I jumped in, tried it out.... and got promptly sniped by the A.I. as I EVA'd over the ship. I laughed after seeing the videos, and thought it was going to be easy money. "Group mission" but one man with 13 rounds and no extra mags did it. But for some reason when I go to try it, the A.I. worked. The place where the ship was in the hanger, they spotted me, and all made a beeline up the stairs after me, lol. I couldn't hide form them. Eventually I threw enough bodies at it.
 
Of course your right.. SC is better as a 'live in space' game, having the ability to do what you can do in it, i.e. 'live in the game'. It's pretty obvious.
However players have to see that these games are not games you can compare to each other. The content for a start is very different, they have stars in common, but that is about it.

The rest; Planets, ships, stations, legs, fps, npc interaction etc etc.. are all very different in each game.

I like ED for what it is. I like SC for what it is and also NMS, plus a number of other space games, some better (for me anyway).

But I can't think of two of these games I could really put against each other, as they are all very different. Perhaps I can put Evochron v ED, because they are pretty similar. But in each of those there are things to argue about which is better at which. I prefer Evochron (I lean towards gameplay, not graphics).

Trying to compare ED & SC is just wasting time. But if you have it to waste, then why not.

Which is the better game.. Neither of them, because they are different games. It isn't which is better, its which do you enjoy more and that depends on what you want from your game. ;)
Because both games have different things to offer the player.
Yes. It's like comparing NMS and ED. People just really want to argue over SC and ED in terms of what's 'better' because they're both games in space. They have a lot of similarities, but are very different in the long run. Especially consider SC is the type of game you can make coffee, and go lay in a bunk in a sky scrapper in a city on an earth-like world. It's just a very very different experience overall.
 
I know I am about 30 pages behind when set to Max posts per page, but find it odd with if one is trying to objectively quantify better no criteria have been established.

Only once that is done can one look at each criterum and argue when game does it better.

But even setting the criteria will end in some subjectively as say looking at
What ships can mine.
Some argue that set ship roles is a good thing, others prefer the universal outfit as needed approach.
 
This is a joke, but it quite literally did for me. I watched some 890 jump mission gameplay from several people, like Boredgamer and the such, the big Youtubers for SC. Every time, The A.I. sat around doing literally nothing, in a corner blaire witch style, or inside one another not reacting to the player. So I jumped in, tried it out.... and got promptly sniped by the A.I. as I EVA'd over the ship. I laughed after seeing the videos, and thought it was going to be easy money. "Group mission" but one man with 13 rounds and no extra mags did it. But for some reason when I go to try it, the A.I. worked. The place where the ship was in the hanger, they spotted me, and all made a beeline up the stairs after me, lol. I couldn't hide form them. Eventually I threw enough bodies at it.

Yeah 3.7 seemed to have a lot more aggro behaviour (as did their initial demo of the 890J mission seemingly). Like this:

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It still looked pretty poor to me though, from what I've seen. Dog-piling the player with no strategy (while still doing the standard bizarre stuff like standing still having run up, or facing the other way etc). Effective in numbers, from the AI perspective, but not exactly ideal gameplay ;)

Not sure if they've reverted to the old AI in 3.8 or what. Have you tried any FPS missions in the current build?
 
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Yeah 3.7 seemed to have a lot more aggro behaviour (as did their initial demo of the 890J mission). Like this:

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It still looked pretty poor to me though, from what I've seen. Dog-piling the player with no strategy (while still doing the standard bizarre stuff like standing still having run up, or facing the other way etc). Effective in numbers, from the AI perspective, but not exactly ideal gameplay ;)

Not sure if they've reverted to the old AI in 3.8 or what. Have you tried any FPS missions in the current build?
God multi quote won't work on my phone... But that gif is exactly what I dealt with when I did the 890 mission. It was like a beehive stir, and I got swarmed so hard. One stayed back, looking semi-tactical, but the rest were like, "we smell that booty on the second floor and we're coming for it." Like that meme, "Mine mine mine mine mine!"
 
God multi quote won't work on my phone... But that gif is exactly what I dealt with when I did the 890 mission. It was like a beehive stir, and I got swarmed so hard. One stayed back, looking semi-tactical, but the rest were like, "we smell that booty on the second floor and we're coming for it." Like that meme, "Mine mine mine mine mine!"

That tactical guy was stuck on a plant pot good sir ;)

Cool, def report back if it's any different in 3.8 live. It's kinda intriguing that some people still seem to get the old passive AI behaviours and others seem to get the mad bum rush.

Still kinda waiting for subsumption to touch the war front ;)
 
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I was just watching two people go at it in a Youtube comment section. Made me chuckle.

P1 - "No walking and atmos after five years when Braben talked about them in the kickstarter?"

P2 - "At least we have a game!"

P1 - "A game that's dead."

P2 - "Yours will never release!"

P1 - "sips from snow storm on earth like world"

P2 - "I hope you fall through the ground."

P1 - "I probably will."
 
Good move to have made the devs crunch to keep their word on releasing 3.8... Now they'll probably crunch through Christmas and new year's eve right after this crunch, which took place no long after citcon crunch, which came close to 3.7 crunch, which came few weeks after...
 
I have a feeling Elite will never escape the "wide as an ocean and as shallow as a puddle" stigma from the launch days.

Well, not from its critics certainly, but there again, they already decided there is no depth, and no matter what changes occur, their mind is made up. A bit like some skeptics of SC, except in SC's case its as wide as a puddle and as deep as a puddle :D
 
Deep core mining is better than SC, but I liked SC mining better than standard laser at rock till empty from Elite. I had to pay attention to the rock rather than walk away like I usually do. But yeah, deep core is better by a good bit. It's interactive like the SC mining, but there's a couple more skilled based steps involved. Getting a keen eye for opal rocks, and generally getting an idea for the amount and size of charges per rock based on size.

Well, that's fine, nothing wrong with saying you prefer standard mining in SC to standard mining in ED. It is your opinion and you are welcome to it ;)
 
Not in response to agony's thing here, but to you. Reading this thread a bit, it's very very biased towards Elite. But what can you expect? It's the official ED forum. Trying to walk in and tell them an alpha is better than their finished game will give you the same result as punching a brick wall. You'll break your hand and that brick wall be unfazed. And then the wall pill post a pic of your broken hand in instagram with a ASP X in front of it. :p

It would be best if we tried not to make comparisons in this thread, but instead let SC speak for iteslf.

I mean, if someone has already decided ED is better, then they aren't going to change their opinion. Likewise, if someone thinks ED is bad, then all they are doing is basically trying to say that their favourite game is somewhat better than a bad game. Not exactly resounding praise for their favourite game then really.
 
It would be best if we tried not to make comparisons in this thread, but instead let SC speak for iteslf.

I mean, if someone has already decided ED is better, then they aren't going to change their opinion. Likewise, if someone thinks ED is bad, then all they are doing is basically trying to say that their favourite game is somewhat better than a bad game. Not exactly resounding praise for their favourite game then really.
Yeah, people who are set in their ways are set in their ways. I rarely meet a few who change their minds on something they love. I still love Elite, like favorite game of all time when I first played it, but I do have a lot of criticisms for it. But I'm very careful to say whether I believe other space genre games do this or that better less I want to be lynched by an angry mob when I'm in Elite-centric places. :ROFLMAO: Just like we have "Godd Howard" and "Christ Roberts" there's people who revere Braben just the same. Though not sure what the God anagram (is that the word) would be for David. Godvid. ...no... Godben.... no Surely one exists. :p

On the Internet there are some seriously zealous groups, though. Did you read that reddit link a bit back? About that angry Elite vet? See all the people talking smack about ED forum people? By like name? And that's why I mostly keep my mouth shut online. Mostly. Less I get a name, lol. "I hear you're that Nef who likes SC mining." oh god no, no i just meant I preferred it over one specific type of ED min- Gets drug out into the street.
 
500mb update for the live build as soon as I got home, lol. Must be some bug fixes. let's see if my net is s low tonight again.
 
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