Star Citizen Discussion Thread v11

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There should be no sides at all, which is what I came here to seek. One person willing and able enough to see past their 'side' and entertain a mature, constructive, neutral discourse.
And again, maybe if you want to have that discussion, you can… you know… start having it. Offer your observations and your input; make the comparison and analysis you wish to see; discuss your subjective views; don't for a second believe that your opinions are in any way “objective” or “neutral”.

There is an ongoing discussion and you're free to join it, but don't start with bashing everything and everyone around you because then the mods will start take an interest, as you just noticed.
 
Open web browser, search for 'Youtube' then type Star Citizen Argo Mole.

Brings up a few. :)
The Mole is broken sniff

Maybe some day they'll fix it....or they'll shove it off the roadmap like everything else to make some room for another silly fighter with a phallic weapon... :unsure:
 
How about we compare what is there, today.

Go on.

Tell me ED is better at visuals, at the ability to walk around your ship, at the ability to land planetside, get out and explore on foot..........

Tell me ED is better at mining.

And don't forget to tell me HOW ED is better at these mechanics, in your opinion, of course.

Go on.

Ps: It's not the thirtd time I ask this question - wonder why it's being ignored all the time.......
ED didn't sell ships while promising specific gameplay that should be implemented with said products.

So where's that AWACS gameplay that was supposedly be in SC? (hornet tracker)

Where's the stealth gameplay? (hornet ghost)

Where's the information running gameplay? (herald)

Where's the criminal detaining gameplay? (Avenger stalker)

Where's the space medic gameplay? (cutlass red)

Where's the space police gameplay? (cutlass blue)

Where's the TV crew gameplay? (reliant mako)

Where's the research gameplay? (reliant sen)

Where's the passenger transport and drink mixing gameplay? (genesis starliner)

Where's the refueling gameplay? (starfarer)

Where's the salvage gameplay? (reclaimer)

Where's the space bombing gameplay? (gladiator)

Where's the torpedo bombing gameplay? (retaliator)

Where's the racing gameplay? (350r)

Etc

Where the heck is Banu Merchantman anyway?

Where exactly are the aliens? They boasted about having linguist to create alien languages, where's the realization from that?

Etc, where the heck is the BDSSE? I don't care about space legs or even atmospheric planet landing, where's the space sim that they boasted to save pc gaming in their bold proclamation back then in 2012?

Even if one only "donated" $30 back then, you obviously have a right to question and demand about all those space sim gameplay that were being advertised by them.
 
I have lived my task.

I have ED installed. Played since gamma.

I have SC installed. Been a backer since 2013.

I can see for myself that SC is better by a country mile. I came here wanting to see whether this thread contains any participants willing to engage in mature, constructive discussions. Should have known better lol

But its still your opinion and not the opinion of others. Again, you have made no objective statements regarding which is better, because that is impossible. Better for you, sure. Better for someone else, nope.

Otherwise we could all sit here claiming out personal opinions to be fact.

That is a concept you seem to struggle with. That because you think one thing is better, that everyone should agree with you and anyone who disagrees with you is wrong.

I mean, this is a summary of everything you have said: I'm right, if anyone disagrees with me they are wrong.
 
Anyway...made a little vid for Agony. It's more or less my day job in Star Citizen...boring as it is. Just a vid showing how the big ship docking goes compared to what we were discussing further back in this thread with no cockpit visual or audio telemetry to help. Not as exciting as Sovapid's offerings...but we can't all be shooting eachother in the face for da lulz now, can we? Someone has to deliver the bread ;)


Awww, how sweet of you.
 
And there it is.

Unconscious bias.

There should be no sides at all, which is what I came here to seek. One person willing and able enough to see past their 'side' and entertain a mature, constructive, neutral discourse.

Sadly there is none to be had in this particular thread, which is probably to be expected - In hindsight I should have known better.......

Ps: Spoke too soon - the post above me is the exeption to the rule it would seem.

So, you're finally admitting that you are biased and that your objective fact is in fact subjective opinion?

We all have our biases.

But we need to keep objective seperate from subjective.

Perhaps you are ready to objectively write how mining in SC works and then i'll do the same for it in ED.

We can compare them, and while we won't agree on which is "better" we can review how they function.
 
Awww, how sweet of you.
It ended up longer than I had anticipated due to the fact there's a refuelling bug...you have to hover over the pad instead of landing first. Normally I land, click on the refuel etc and leave the ship whilst it'd doing it's thing. It's a big ship and takes a fair bit of juice so having to hang around while it refuels is an added pain.

Like I said, a fairly boring job and video subject matter but I don't want to give the impression that Star Citizen is all explosions and pew...it's not. Basically more or less what I did for a day job in Elite...involves a bit of grinding. Still, it's what I do and I genuinely enjoy doing it. Eurotruck in space ships...not for everyone :)
 
Oo, that sounds like grounds for an objective discussion.

What’s up with it?
Physics...to cut it short.

It's nice to fly, mining works pretty well when you have crew and it can be quite fun... but the fuel consumption is worse than my Land Rover and tends to run out after 10 minutes of flying That's not a feature, it's bugged. When you land it on a planet surface and leave the ship, it won't sit on the undercarriage properly and starts rolling from side to side on the ground or sliding all over the place...fairly broken.
 
Here's a suggestion: why don't you start? You're the one believing that such a comparison is at all interesting. So why don't you try to compare and analyse them?

Based on what I read so far its going to be a list looking like this....

Star Citizen pro-points
  • taking a step left leg
  • taking a step right leg
(continue as much as needed until this list is longer then EDs)

Whereas ED list will only have 1 point in it.....grind.


Please stop using the word 'objective' like you know what it means. It isn't a synonym for 'expressing an opinion'.

You know I mixed up subjective and objective myself and always have to pause to make sure I pick the correct one for whatever I want to express tho english aint my first language so maybe thats kind of an excuse? But it doesnt look like he d even allow for such a mistake to have happened.


OH WOW, the thread jumped 4 more pages while I was reading up :) This is hilarious ^^

You have achieved the unachievable. I am agreeing with Tippis.

You know you can list out the pros/cons of both. I ain't your pet monkey and I'm not gonna do it for you.

And which ED mining mechanic? Old school mining, new exploding the asteroid mining, or SRV mining for mats?

Damn Sovapid man, too harsh, give it a rest. Why are you always at the forefront of criticising people who just share their opinion? :D

You have achieved the unachievable. I am agreeing with Tippis.

You know you can list out the pros/cons of both. I ain't your pet monkey and I'm not gonna do it for you.

And which ED mining mechanic? Old school mining, new exploding the asteroid mining, or SRV mining for mats?

I d like you to write an essay about "being nice to each other, 500 words min, get it done by tuesday. The score will be 50% of the total this year" :D

I expect another mod intervention soonish btw. ARGH too late


Where the hell are all of these Star Citizen keyboard warriors appearing from? I kinda liked it when it was all quiet and peaceful :oops:

So you say but we all know better now dont we? :D



Now I need to post this quickly before the thread receives a break ^^
 
Ok again those of you who say Sc has so nice graphics. Here is a game also build on cry engine. So saying it again i‘m not impressed by SC at all. These are some old Videos.

Not to play devil's advocate, but aren't those tiny hand-crafted maps for an arena slugger? Doesn't CIG have to make entire planets look good? I think 40,000km vs a kilometer is a big difference. Like that Battlefield 3 vs SC debate. One's all smoke and mirrors in the background, the other has a planet behind it. I could say some 10 year old games look better than Elite's moons by far, but it's a different thing.
 
90% of the time I'm not looking at pretty blackness with dots in it anyway...most of what I see is this..

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Then a bit of this...

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Or maybe some of this perhaps.

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Nobody really cares how pretty 'space' looks in SC...since there's not a lot of it to look at nor any real point in hanging around looking at it.
Kinda this, to be honest. If I wanted space, I'd play Elite since that's all we really have, and our planets are just brown spuds most of the time. I downloaded SC to check out the planets I've not seen anywhere else. After playing all day I'm pretty stunned by them. Sure they're not "AAA arena map" good, but it's an entire planet beyond their hand-crafted sections. Like after you leave that desert city, what was? I can't recall... It's the big big city, I landed next to a pond, and instead of barren brown with a couple rocks Elite style, it was filled with random junk. Like, actual junk, not desert weeds. This planet is like a junkyard, and this was was like 20km from the city. That kind of impressed me that stuff is dotted around in the "empty" area that you think a player would never go. Like if the entire planet in Elite was geological sites or something.
 
I think you confuse facts with opinion.

In my opinion, ED mining is better. Now, that is the fact of my opinion, but it doesn't make it an objective truth, its just subjective.
Deep core mining is better than SC, but I liked SC mining better than standard laser at rock till empty from Elite. I had to pay attention to the rock rather than walk away like I usually do. But yeah, deep core is better by a good bit. It's interactive like the SC mining, but there's a couple more skilled based steps involved. Getting a keen eye for opal rocks, and generally getting an idea for the amount and size of charges per rock based on size.
 
Yes, that is what you prefer.

Good on you.

You are however doing an interested third party an injustice by not detailing the two gameplay mechanics side by side, detailing what each entails and then letting said third party decide which one he/she will find more satisfying.

Rather, you push your own biased agenda.

How about trying that and then decide which one is factually more entertaining to the average gamer rather than waging a semantics war?
Not in response to agony's thing here, but to you. Reading this thread a bit, it's very very biased towards Elite. But what can you expect? It's the official ED forum. Trying to walk in and tell them an alpha is better than their finished game will give you the same result as punching a brick wall. You'll break your hand and that brick wall be unfazed. And then the wall pill post a pic of your broken hand in instagram with a ASP X in front of it. :p
 
Yes, i believe it. Try mining without spending $$$ on a Prospector or Mole (you can buy the Mole now?).
I actually enjoyed putzing around in a cave hand gathering ore. I only made like 15k, but in Elite that's enough to actually do stuff. Though I did make the mistake of putting my backpack into a "box" because I was like, "what's this feature do?" and had absolutely no idea how to sell it. Chat helped out. Apparently it just being in my ship was enough for ship terminals to find it. That was kinda neat, walked into a counter. Felt like a Fedex deliveryman again, signing off on a package. :ROFLMAO:
 
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