Star Citizen Discussion Thread v11

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Mole HD

Mole HD
Agony_Aunt said:
I'd love to see a livestream discussion between you and Twerk about the state of SC. I think it could be really interesting. Two people who enjoy the game, hopefuly, but willing it discuss its flaws.
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I've had similar discussions with FTR during a couple of his live streams...since we're practically of the same mind. I respect SaltEMike's revised standpoint on SC since he changed from the old Twerk17 uber-fanboi he used to be...he revised his content to be more palatable to a general audience but still bends the knee toward the necessary compromising caveats for his remaining audience of the faithful. I also love the fact that Mike isn't fixated on combat oriented gameplay and loves his mining..something we have in common at least.

But me on a live stream discussion with my highland accent? Nah :D

One thing I have noticed as a long term player of SC is the eternally revolving door of the faithful and serious Kool-Aid drinkers appearing in Star Citizen (In game as opposed to the popular media feeding frenzy). Last night, a long term friend of mine who is one of the more major tier whales (well over 15K) ...and myself...were both out-fanboi'd and driven to leave a server in gales of incredulous laughter in our Discord voice chat by the appearance of a couple of the new intake of $50 cultists...stranger than fiction :oops:

The pair of us are of a similar mindset on SC and its non development which is the main reason we get along...even given he's bought in several tiers above what I'd even consider vaguely sensible. We've known eachother for a few years in any case and have extended sessions in SC and other games together a few times per week at least. We both backed SC with the same initial $100 pledge package back in 2015...which seems like an entire lifetime ago.
 
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Viajero

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Viajero
StuartGT said:
Read through Crytek's redacted filing... my guess is CIG are not only waaaay behind on Sq42 development (as we know from roadmap chapter progress) but Crytek discovered that CIG are also making a console port of Sq42.

As the port wouldn't use the same launcher as SC (cos it won't be on console) and hasn't officially been announced yet (so can be legally redacted), it would definitely be classed as a separate game, using CryEngine, and fully breaching the GLA if it is officially announced/released.

The Calder's $46m investment also only makes sense if they were told that a console port was in the works: more potential customers who won't have already pledged/pre-ordered.
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CIG seems unable to produce it on PC, why do we think they can not only achieve that but also make a non trivial console port on top?
 

Ian Skippy

Ian Skippy
MTBFritz said:
Also I m sure it doesnt help that I m a stickler and hang up on past stuff that most people seem willing to forget or forgive. And Star Citizens development has hundreds if not thousands of those by now.
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There is a fourth alternative beyond 1) forgetting, 2) forgiving and 3) obsessing.

MTBFritz said:
If I and other critical people stop posting all that does is allowing CIG to run a (possible) scam unopposed.
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You are preaching to the choir here, there is no 'opposing' to be done in this topic. Your post was +-2500 words and convinced nobody of stopping to support 'the scam'. You have literally hundreds of these posts. You could have written a genuine series of books with all that effort. If you genuinely want to crusade against 'the scam' I suggest you try a more effective way. Like talking to people in the SC community, on reddit or Spectrum. Alternatively, if you just need to get stuff of your chest every few days because this game has been living rent-free in your brain for over half a decade; also fine! But let's in that case drop the pretense of any other point or purpose. :)
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
Ian Skippy said:
There is a fourth alternative beyond 1) forgetting, 2) forgiving and 3) obsessing.



You are preaching to the choir here, there is no 'opposing' to be done in this topic. Your post was +-2500 words and convinced nobody of stopping to support 'the scam'. You have literally hundreds of these posts. You could have written a genuine series of books with all that effort. If you genuinely want to crusade against 'the scam' I suggest you try a more effective way. Like talking to people in the SC community, on reddit or Spectrum. Alternatively, if you just need to get stuff of your chest every few days because this game has been living rent-free in your brain for over half a decade; also fine! But let's in that case drop the pretense of any other point or purpose. :)
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Hey, i enjoy reading Fritz's effort posts.
 

Mole HD

Mole HD
Agony_Aunt said:
Oh come on! It can't be that bad. I mean, we somehow put up with Yamiks' accent.
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I need a translater to get a lift to recognise my accent, never mind an audience. Even with Voice attack, I have to adopt a pseudo gay Canadian office worker trying to imitate a burly Texan gun merchant accent to get the damned program to lower my landing gear without locking missiles or engaging the hyperdrive in a hangar.

I was fine in the army...I just shouted very loudly a lot and watched the minions running about aimlessly still trying to figure out what it was I had shouted... however, I've since discovered that the loud shouting thing doesn't translate well over video :)

 
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Skizomeuh

Skizomeuh
Agony_Aunt said:
Some interesting things coming out of Space Court as people dig into the docs.

So, CIG repeatedly claims it switched over to Lumberyard, when apparently no such switch ever took place and they claim (in legal proceedings) they do not know how they plan to release SQ42 despite multiple public statements that it will be released as a standalone game.

I feel justified at this point saying: Liars, liars, pants on fire.
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Gasp! This is heavy! I must watch GuardFreq's take on this...

And I now, more than ever, am looking forward to see the interview Bootcha teased a month ago...

 

McGlashan

McGlashan
Ian Skippy said:
Sure, but I am going to go ahead and guess you are not one of the 'cultists' he is trying to 'protect' from 'the scam'.
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You put "protect" in quotes but there was no mention of trying to protect anyone. The point, as I read it at least, was that it's important and valuable to offer an alternative viewpoint, especially when the more fanatical elements of the SC "community" work so dilligently to enforce a narrative which is contrary to reality. The reason why dissent is more common here than in places like spectrum or reddit is because the gaslighting, sea lioning, and pretty much all other trolling techniques which are commonly employed by those cultists elsewhere have been more successfully moderated here (especially after the post requirements were implemented to combat the drive-by trolling that used to be common).

It doesn't, contrary to what some fans like to claim, prevent anyone from being enthusiastic about the project, or celebrating the positive achievements (such as they are), it just means if you start making bad faith claims like how a glorified tech demo is somehow better than any AAA game ever released, you can expect to be challenged. And the fact is the skeptics have a lot more ammunition.
 

sovapid

sovapid
Ian Skippy said:
You are preaching to the choir here, there is no 'opposing' to be done in this topic. Your post was +-2500 words and convinced nobody of stopping to support 'the scam'. You have literally hundreds of these posts. You could have written a genuine series of books with all that effort. If you genuinely want to crusade against 'the scam' I suggest you try a more effective way. Like talking to people in the SC community, on reddit or Spectrum. Alternatively, if you just need to get stuff of your chest every few days because this game has been living rent-free in your brain for over half a decade; also fine! But let's in that case drop the pretense of any other point or purpose. :)
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Like anyone who isn't in on the hate circle jerk is going to bother reading 2500 word posts.
 

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Mole HD said:
I need a translater to get a lift to recognise my accent, never mind an audience. Even with Voice attack, I have to adopt a pseudo gay Canadian office worker trying to imitate a burly Texan gun merchant accent to get the damned program to lower my landing gear without locking missiles or engaging the hyperdrive in a hangar.

I was fine in the army...I just shouted very loudly a lot and watched the minions running about aimlessly still trying to figure out what it was I had shouted... however, I've since discovered that the loud shouting thing doesn't translate well over video :)

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On launch, we are going to have Eleven star systems... ELEVEN!
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
sovapid said:
Crytek said so, so it must be true.
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You don't find it interesting that Crytek were including that point in an official court document?

Now, you note, i put a question mark there, because this is the redacted version, and presumably was stripped from the final version, but for Crytek's lawyers to put it there in the first place presumably means there is some truth to it.

I haven't checked the final version, but for brevity's sake, let's assume it didn't make it to the final version, that CIG objected to the statement. But why would Crytek try and put it in? For goons to slaver over? Or they really saw during discover that CIG never actually made the switch?

I'm not trying to claim it either way, but its rather interesting to note don't you think?
 

MTBFritz

MTBFritz
Mole HD said:
I've had similar discussions with FTR during a couple of his live streams...since we're practically of the same mind. I respect SaltEMike's revised standpoint on SC since he changed from the old Twerk17 uber-fanboi he used to be...he revised his content to be more palatable to a general audience but still bends the knee toward the necessary compromising caveats for his remaining audience of the faithful. I also love the fact that Mike isn't fixated on combat oriented gameplay and loves his mining..something we have in common at least.

But me on a live stream discussion with my highland accent? Nah :D

One thing I have noticed as a long term player of SC is the eternally revolving door of the faithful and serious Kool-Aid drinkers appearing in Star Citizen (In game as opposed to the popular media feeding frenzy). Last night, a long term friend of mine who is one of the more major tier whales (well over 15K) ...and myself...were both out-fanboi'd and driven to leave a server in gales of incredulous laughter in our Discord voice chat by the appearance of a couple of the new intake of $50 cultists...stranger than fiction :oops:

The pair of us are of a similar mindset on SC and its non development which is the main reason we get along...even given he's bought in several tiers above what I'd even consider vaguely sensible. We've known eachother for a few years in any case and have extended sessions in SC and other games together a few times per week at least. We both backed SC with the same initial $100 pledge package back in 2015...which seems like an entire lifetime ago.
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upvoted simply because it sounds completely believable and is expressed in a way I can understand and even support. Thank you for the balanced input mate, its very much welcome after all the shill-drivel provided by others.
 

MTBFritz

MTBFritz
Viajero said:
CIG seems unable to produce it on PC, why do we think they can not only achieve that but also make a non trivial console port on top?
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Because console means "less fidelity" (PC master race....dont hate me) and CIG might manage some kind of game without the added load of visual fluff that works on the PC-lemmings?


Ian Skippy said:
There is a fourth alternative beyond 1) forgetting, 2) forgiving and 3) obsessing.



You are preaching to the choir here, there is no 'opposing' to be done in this topic. Your post was +-2500 words and convinced nobody of stopping to support 'the scam'. You have literally hundreds of these posts. You could have written a genuine series of books with all that effort. If you genuinely want to crusade against 'the scam' I suggest you try a more effective way. Like talking to people in the SC community, on reddit or Spectrum. Alternatively, if you just need to get stuff of your chest every few days because this game has been living rent-free in your brain for over half a decade; also fine! But let's in that case drop the pretense of any other point or purpose. :)
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Not the first time people try to show me how much "wasted" effort I put into my posts but fact is....I do care about this subforum and how my posts come across to the people participating in it. I am not out to lead a crusade against CIG or reveal its ugliness to the world or something like that. I chose to participate here and because I care I put effort into what I write....thats all. I dont keep count of my words and I dont try to "hit" some kind of special number either. I simply write what comes to mind and often enough in the end I post a wall of text. trust me when I say I would love to be able to express whatever I say with less words to not tax readers (whoever reads those things) as much alas my birth "gifts" dont include written skill so bear with me. Star Citizen keeps me engaged mainly because I keep coming back (saved as a bookmark so whenever I power up the PC I m updated on this thread) so once in a while there is something coming up (post or event) that makes me think about certain things and sometimes I feel the urge to "share". Again....I m sorry if it feels or reads like mindless drivel to some but the ignore function is a great tool in that case :)

As far as "protecting the cultists from the scam" goes I might be sad for some individuals but I m not out to better everybody. People are living their own lives and people usually are adults (most here claim to be...Star Citizen also is a project mere "kids" are simply not able to afford in anyway). I am not in the business to tell people how to live their lives. I might not understand it but people can do whatever makes em happy (as long as it doesnt interfere with other folks lives). I am not preaching to the fanatics or people I consider fanatics. I realize I am not reaching them and regardless what I write....simple logic and a shift in perspective wont be enough to make em understand anyway. Instead I m putting effort into my thoughts for anybody who stumbles across this thread and tries to make up his mind. Not trying to decide for him either but make him aware that there is a dramatic gap in perception about what makes a good game and that SC really doesnt have more to offer then good views and might never get anywhere because in the last 8 years....it didnt get that far. More like trying to help the "innocents" before CIG can get its claws into them with its false promises and fake reports coming from the hyper fans.



On a sidenote...I always find people complaining about reading lots of words on a FORUM really funny :) Like.....written words are the medium and tools to use in order to communicate so what does that say about somebody who states "meh...not gonna read 2500 words cuz too much effort" really? But regarding the source of that comment and the quality of said posters own posts I am not surprised :)
 
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