Can I min/max my ExploConda in Colonia?

GunnerBill · Jan 25, 2020

Like it sez, although I’m already at 75/78 ly I’m a few shy of the ~80 ly needed for the current highest system (schoolboy error!).

Anyhow I can ship some modules but I may need to engineer some too.

So can I?

I confused Dryee Free AA-A h4 for Systae Free AA-A h1 (AKA Peak).

Dryee Free AA-A h4 needs a 79.75 fueled jump range and premium jumponium. I can do Peak in my current config, so I'm diverting there first.

Factabulous · Jan 25, 2020

Why not try? Playing the game can be fun.

Bigmaec · Jan 25, 2020

You can but you shouldn't.
An 80 ly conda is dysfunctional crap.
Stick some useful modules in and your range will still be 70ly.

Old Duck · Jan 25, 2020

I got your ExplodAconda right here, just park it in front of my new Mamba.

Watcher · Jan 25, 2020

GunnerBill said:
Like it sez, although I’m already at 75/78 ly I’m a few shy of the ~80 ly needed for the current highest system (schoolboy error!).

Anyhow I can ship some modules but I may need to engineer some too.

So can I?

Yes, you have all the engineering you need in Colonia.

There are a few things you can't get but that shouldn't impact a build focussed on jump range.

You can get that elusive G5 lightweight mod on your life support which is handy.

Burke · Jan 25, 2020

Bigmaec said:
You can but you shouldn't.
An 80 ly conda is dysfunctional crap.
Stick some useful modules in and your range will still be 70ly.

Assuming coriolis numbers are accurate you can get everything you will ever need and a 5D shield and still get 80-81 ly.

Hanerib · Jan 25, 2020

Exploration railguns!

GunnerBill · Jan 25, 2020

Factabulous said:
Why not try? Playing the game can be fun.

Agreed. But I thought after my initial lack of preparation led me on a 12,000 ly wild goose chase to a system I can't reach I ought to do some homework before making the 5000 ly divert to Colonia...

Bigmaec said:
You can but you shouldn't.
An 80 ly conda is dysfunctional crap.
Stick some useful modules in and your range will still be 70ly.

Bigmaec, honestly I expected better from you. Didn't I already say I was at 75/78 ly?

Old Duck said:
I got your ExplodAconda right here, just park it in front of my new Mamba.

Lol, even if I told you where I was you'd never be able to get to me in that pile of junk! What's it got, a ~17 ly range?

Did you not read Bigmaec's post? Dysfunctional crap is not welcome here.

Watcher said:
Yes, you have all the engineering you need in Colonia.

There are a few things you can't get but that shouldn't impact a build focussed on jump range.

You can get that elusive G5 lightweight mod on your life support which is handy.

A sensible reply! +1

I'm actually very nearly there she's already pretty maxed out, I need to shed some weight (SRV hanger) and get some smaller modules, particularly the PP which is a 5A (left over from module ferrying) and of course that G5 lightweight life support.

Hanerib said:
Exploration railguns!

; I'll need those for Old Duck in his Mambo.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujB-BZn3C4g

Stealthie · Jan 25, 2020

If your ship can make 75Ly jumps, wouldn't it be better to just leave it as it is and then synth' FSD injections when you need a bit extra?

GunnerBill · Jan 26, 2020

Stealthie said:
If your ship can make 75Ly jumps, wouldn't it be better to just leave it as it is and then synth' FSD injections when you need a bit extra?

One of the legs to Dryee Free AA-A h4 needs a 79.75 x 2 = 159.5 ly fueled jump range and therefore premium jumponium, there is no neutron star to help with that one. The ship also has to be efficient enough to have enough fuel to do the same leg back without refueling i.e. that 79.75 ly base jump range needs to be available with the ship fully fueled.

Bigmaec · Jan 26, 2020

GunnerBill said:
Bigmaec, honestly I expected better from you. Didn't I already say I was at 75/78 ly?

Did you not read Bigmaec's post? Dysfunctional crap is not welcome here.

Better? From me? I'm one of those peeweepee gweefers. Nah.

GunnerBill · Jan 26, 2020

Thanks to the mods for moving this thread here!

+1’s all round!!

mikekim · Jan 26, 2020

if your Conda does 78ly atm you could push that to 80 by dropping the fuel tank to a size 4 (you will only get 2 jumps from a tank though)

Hanerib · Jan 26, 2020

Exploration forums? Whoa! How did I get here? What is this place? You know a few years ago I explored 25000 lightyears to Crooki PX-V c17-5 to shoot at the nebula there with some railguns. Then visited some conflict zones in Colonia. A lot of techno was listened during that trip.

Straha Yeagar · Jan 26, 2020

mikekim said:
if your Conda does 78ly atm you could push that to 80 by dropping the fuel tank to a size 4 (you will only get 2 jumps from a tank though)

Just a point of clarification...

The fuel tank is massless and does not affect max jump range. Fuel tank size only really matters when using the route planner, as the route planner bases its jump off of full tank. Max jump range is calculated based on mass of fuel actually in the tank. So the important number when exploring the fringes is max jump range on fumes, which is the same regardless of tank size. In other words, 128 ton fuel tanks will have the same max jump range as an 8 ton tank. It just takes a bit more finesse to manage fuel.

Bigmaec · Jan 26, 2020

Straha Yeagar said:
Just a point of clarification...

The fuel tank is massless and does not affect max jump range. Fuel tank size only really matters when using the route planner, as the route planner bases its jump off of full tank. Max jump range is calculated based on mass of fuel actually in the tank. So the important number when exploring the fringes is max jump range on fumes, which is the same regardless of tank size. In other words, 128 ton fuel tanks will have the same max jump range as an 8 ton tank. It just takes a bit more finesse to manage fuel.

Are you sure about that?
Logically a ship with a 128 ton tank has 120 tons more mass then a ship with a 8 ton tank.

GroG79 · Jan 26, 2020

Only when the tanks are full of fuel

Straha Yeagar · Jan 26, 2020

Bigmaec said:
Are you sure about that?
Logically a ship with a 128 ton tank has 120 tons more mass then a ship with a 8 ton tank.

Positive. The subject of tank size and jump range is one of the more misunderstood things, with lots of misinformation passed on as fact. Pop into ED Shipyard or Coriolis and change the tank size, and look at the max range. Doesn't change. The tank itself is massless. The mass comes from the fuel in it. So a 128 ton tank with 8 tons of fuel has the same max jump range as a ship with an 8 ton tank that is full.

Bigmaec · Jan 26, 2020

Straha Yeagar said:
Positive. Pop into ED Shipyard or Coriolis and change the tank size, and look at the max range. Doesn't change. The tank itself is massless. The mass comes from the fuel in it. So a 128 ton tank with 8 tons of fuel has the same max jump range as a ship with an 8 ton tank that is full.

Ah ok, I misunderstood you. The max range would be the same, but only on empty tanks. On full tanks the jump range is less on a vessel with a 128 ton tank then one with a 8 ton tank.

Straha Yeagar · Jan 26, 2020

Bigmaec said:
Ah ok, I misunderstood you. The max range would be the same, but only on empty tanks. On full tanks the jump range is less on a vessel with a 128 ton tank then one with a 8 ton tank.

Right, range on full tanks is less on bigger tanks because of the fuel mass. This impacts the route plotter because it assumes full tanks when calculating the route. When exploring the fringes where jumps are planned manually, the max range is what matters, thus tank size does not matter.