I can hear the sound of the stampede toward litigation the instant my first campaign hit the streets...
So, we're actually on schedule?
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I don't see why, it's not Frontier trying to deny what they have said in the past.A post certainly.
Sticky, I think Frontier would be hard to convince.
I agree with what you say.
Frontier never denies but certainly prefers to confirm the delays punctually than to post them permanently at the top of the most used thread in the ED forum.
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I don't think it would be that hard to give realistic expectations of what we're going to be getting in future updates. Choosing to be vague and misleading is a choice. They wanted all kinds of hype and mystery surrounding what might be coming for the exact reason of people being really hopeful to receive something so they whip out their credit cards or bank cards with very little hesitation. I feel like this is fairly common practice in the world these days. how often do you see a movie trailer that shows scenes that are never actually in the movie? Remember the avengers infinity war trailer few years back? it shows the hulk with everybody else in wakanda running to the fight, but all of us who seen the movie know this never happens at any point in time in the entire movie.
I'm pretty sure that PR people just want to build hype and aren't that worried about consequences while they're doing it because they'll have plenty of time to think of what they're going to do about it after the hype is built. More so in frontiers case imo because they seem to imply things to be released significantly earlier than movie trailers tend to come out before release.
You don't know any of those things. All you know is that some random internet guy posted some stuff on the internet anonymously (on 4chan of all places IIRC) and that FDEV are sticking rigidly to we are not ready to tell you yet.
I know you really want it to be true, that doesn't make it true. It does set you up to be very disappointed and possibly cause an internet kerfuffle if you are wrong (not just you obviously just an example).
If I'm wrong about it being a troll then I get to play space-feet.
Wait and see.
Edit : was the leak written in comic sans ?.
I think they should be held accountable for just one very crucial thing.
I don't care if your team is small and it takes you forever to do big things because you're busy putting labels on the things in the fleet carrier's fridge. I don't care if you have a sandbox. Sandboxes can be a lot of fun. I don't even care if you don't care. But at least pretend that you do.
Frontier's communication about everything is bad. I mean... I really feel like they just don't know how to continuously engage with their players. They clearly get no direction to do so. This game's lore is a portrait of a girl with blue hair, because they rarely enrich it or flesh it out.
The game itself? Wonderful. The people running it? Brilliant architects, but don't expect them to organize the Christmas party or write the newsletter.
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The problem they've got is people latch onto a throwaway line from a few years back and treat it like an engraved stone tablet from the gods. Sandro once spit balling an idea for open only shows that is was a single sentence that he never mentioned again.
Then you've got people doing selective reading like Elite Dangerous must mean open only.
Then you've got people going all internet lawyer becaseu they read other random internet types theorycrafting about the DLC release schedules.
All while utterly ignoring things like the clear warnings on kickstarter than change is the only certainty.
People get angry when they announce an announcement so they can't win. Easier not to bother at all.
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The far more toxic extreme end of it (which is separate to unrealistic, disappointed or overexcited players) doesn't just push devs away from talking to us it means their families can't use social media in some cases. Here's an interesting read about how bad its getting and the negative effect its having on dev communication with the actual playerbase :
The topic every game dev is talking about behind closed doors : The cost of doing business
Content warning : I’ve embedded some tweets to various developers that show the sorts of comments that they receive every day. There’s some…
Open only Powerplay. He three times said no to anything else.
The far more toxic extreme end of it (which is separate to unrealistic, disappointed or overexcited players) doesn't just push devs away from talking to us it means their families can't use social media in some cases. Here's an interesting read about how bad its getting and the negative effect its having on dev communication with the actual playerbase :
The topic every game dev is talking about behind closed doors : The cost of doing business
Content warning : I’ve embedded some tweets to various developers that show the sorts of comments that they receive every day. There’s some…medium.com
Abuse of devs is unacceptable, however how should a community react when features introduced five years ago have had virtually no proper support? It took FD two years to remove one button.
I've no idea what button you mean.
The community of gamers as a whole should universally condemn the people who've stopped devs communicating with us all by constantly abusing them.
Yeah but internet anonymity prevents them from being condemned since no one knows who they are for the most part
Powerplay had Consolidation added that made part of the UI vestigial and useless. That UI was left in for years, showing how much FD updated a core feature. To this day Powerplay is not even in the pilots manual.
Flat out abusing devs is bad and should be condemed. But don't confuse that with genuine complaints and discourse about the state of the game they have made. Devs and CMs are grown up enough to tell the difference. Call me crazy but why not respond to the actual useful comments and ignore the rest? I assume devs can block people the same way we can.
True that's the nub of the issue.
Face to face hobbies just can't pan out the same way, I do archery we've only had one proper nutter ever, who we binned after only a couple of sessions. Real world problem solved never to be seen again.
Then we had to block him on all forms of social media including getting the national forums to do it because to say he went completely internet mental at being booted is a huge understatement.
I know I tend to get my panties in a bunch sometimes. It's hard not to, I have borderline personality disorder. so I only really experience extreme emotions one way or the other. not always, obviously I'm a normal person unless otherwise provoked. but it's taken me most of my 37 years to learn how to rein myself in when I need it.
I know for a fact I could potentially be a nutter in any given situation under the right conditions.
I know for a fact I could potentially be a nutter in any given situation under the right conditions.
That is hardly a gaming community issue - that is the price of social media. It's not like every worker back then publicised some stoff and then got attacked for a faulty product his company sold to a customer....
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The far more toxic extreme end of it (which is separate to unrealistic, disappointed or overexcited players) doesn't just push devs away from talking to us it means their families can't use social media in some cases. Here's an interesting read about how bad its getting and the negative effect its having on dev communication with the actual playerbase :
The topic every game dev is talking about behind closed doors : The cost of doing business
Content warning : I’ve embedded some tweets to various developers that show the sorts of comments that they receive every day. There’s some…
Social media has amateurised PR. Sure, it was fresh to not hear the corporate speak all the time, but it opened individuals to "the public". Individuals that were never trained for such a thing. It's not hard to imagine what would happen. Twitter and Co. won't change the world for the better. It's more likely they change it for the worse.
We've all got that capability, that's how you survive fighting cavebears with a pointed stick. Video games are not quite so serious.
If you know its an issue then its not an issue, ignore my use of slang terms I'm an old fart.
As of this moment, we don't have a confirmation from the CMs that there will be another Big Bug Killing patch, like January's with a Beta. All we know for certain is that they plan to release FCs in Q2 (Probably towards the end of it).
IMHO, The only part that should be open is Powerplay and it was the only part of the game that it was suggested. As far as Dev Abuse is concerned, I'm certain it contributed to staff leaving the project, which will always cause problems, and I'm wondering if it's one of the reasons for the less open communication channels and why we've lost CGs and Insterstallar Initiaitives. Although we at Lave Radio were quite positive about I.I.'s, the fact that there were other commentators criticising and running them down for, in retrospect, quite trivial issues must have an an effect on moral
IMHO, The only part that should be open is Powerplay and it was the only part of the game that it was suggested. As far as Dev Abuse is concerned, I'm certain it contributed to staff leaving the project, which will always cause problems, and I'm wondering if it's one of the reasons for the less open communication channels and why we've lost CGs and Insterstallar Initiaitives. Although we at Lave Radio were quite positive about I.I.'s, the fact that there were other commentators criticising and running them down for, in retrospect, quite trivial issues must have an an effect on moral
Yeah, that's why businesses have doors and sometimes even security. The sort of person who wouldn't get past the car parking guy is free to let rip at the CEO on the internets.
Having re-read (or actually read the second paragraph for the first time) no you didn't, so I apologise.
Luckily I can keep my own words in my own mouth and use the keyboard for this.
So you're touting for a job?
Again we don't know for sure, but thus far:
1. The leaked road map has been correct on many occasions.
2. The leaked Arx info mentions Weapons and Buildings!
3. The Financial report has additional information about the upcoming expansion.
That is what we Do know.
All the other stuff you mention which is based on nothing is pure speculation.
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