It's like watching the CNN news or some paid boring commercial......
Star Citizen Discussion Thread v11
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But...wouldn't you agree that a certain amount of toxicity is also fairly consistent amongst the more vociferous detractors?
Myself, like many I know within the backers who play are strictly middle ground. We see something in the project outside of the blind supporting or vigorous nay saying that proliferates on social media outlets...and we're also not averse to bringing critiscism where it's warranted.
Nope...Ci¬G are totally ignoring it. They're hoping once the Carrack is released this month most of it will blow over and be largely forgotten...I suspect they're correct.
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I skipped through maybe 30 seconds of bits of that video.
Procedural generation is something quite beyond the grasp of CI-G. They quite simply have such a profound misunderstanding of the technique that it is baffling that they are even using those words.
Procedural generation is something quite beyond the grasp of CI-G. They quite simply have such a profound misunderstanding of the technique that it is baffling that they are even using those words.
Yeah, i've faced this on the refund sub. If you dare to correct something that is wrong or try and say anything in CIG's defense (not that i do that often), then they turn on their own like a rabid dog.
Not most, most on the refund sub are decent, but there are a few exceptions.
Universe scale, compressed down to a single system.
Never been done before!
EDIT: Just watched a bit more. He actually did play the "never been done before" card.
Shill alert! I repeat, shill alert! This is not a drill!
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I haven't been playing much for the last few days...managed to rip to head off part of my right bicep making it a monocep and snapping most of the rotator cuff tendons in my right shoulder. The plough decided to detach itself from the PTO of my tractor as I was dropping the support leg and my arms took the brunt of it. It hurts a bit 
Worst is...not a lot the scab lifters can do to fix it. Perhaps if I had been a world class tennis player or something...but as is, I'm left with an arm and a half. As long as I can still work a mouse, keyboard, Xbox controller and a HOTAS though I'll be fine
Worst is...not a lot the scab lifters can do to fix it. Perhaps if I had been a world class tennis player or something...but as is, I'm left with an arm and a half. As long as I can still work a mouse, keyboard, Xbox controller and a HOTAS though I'll be fine
I haven't been playing much for the last few days...managed to rip to head off part of my right bicep making it a monocep and snapping most of the rotator cuff tendons in my right shoulder. The plough decided to detach itself from the PTO of my tractor as I was dropping the support leg and my arms took the brunt of it. It hurts a bit
Worst is...not a lot the scab lifters can do to fix it. Perhaps if I had been a world class tennis player or something...but as is, I'm left with an arm and a half. As long as I can still work a mouse, keyboard, Xbox controller and a HOTAS though I'll be fine
Damnn, that’s a rough blow! Hopefully there’s some improvement down the long road :/
Get your kids on lifting duty, and yourself on game R&R right now!
Ach, both my sons run the farm anyway...I just help out during the busy times nowadays. It was my own fault...took the retaining pin out (as I've done many thousands of times) before I dropped the support leg. It's quicker... since sometimes the pin won't come out after you've dropped the leg meaning you have to go shift the tractor back and forth to free it up or raise and lower the PTO from the cab... or get someone else to pull the pin...which I don't like.Damnn, that’s a rough blow! Hopefully there’s some improvement down the long road :/
Get your kids on lifting duty, and yourself on game R&R right now!
It happens with farming...there's lots of heavy steel stuff with moving bits designed just to catch you out
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Hope you get better soon Mole!
PTO's can be outright unpleasantly nasty.
PTO's can be outright unpleasantly nasty.
Sorry I disagree because you are a minority. You truly are middleground, I see you the same way. But that doesnt change the fact that the fanatical side of the community doesnt accept your neutraility. You keep to people who mirror your own view but outside that circle none of you are getting any acceptance. Thats the crux of the matter. You already stated several times that you see some backers as deluded fanatics. How do you think they see you? And while its true that their opinion about you doesnt matter to YOU they are nevertheless a solid number of people who judge you differently then you judge yourself.
Who is right here? Are you middleground as you say or are you hating as they claim? Are they fanatics as you say or are they the only ones who can see reality as they think?
We discussed this already. Outside toxicity is born as a reaction to challenges or attacks first mounted by the defenders. Who really "hates" the project? I can imagine some disgruntled ex-backers who lost thousands of dollars making it a personal issue but if these people exist they ll be individuals. The regular "detractor toxcicity" you can observe is usually directed and generated because of the community interaction. Toxcicity births toxcicity.
Toxcicity apart Star Citizen and its backers are easy prey to trolling these days. Even the most dense village idiot got that memo by now. SCs community in general is so butt hurt that even slight jokes send em over the edge. My own opinion hasnt changed in the last few years but peoples perception of me probably have simply because when I first started out rather polite with simply stating my view and trying to avoid agressive speech the people attacking me have taugth me a great deal in regards to sarcasm, snide remarks and overall passive agressive behavior. So these days I can be pretty blunt which might come across like hostility but thats usually because people feel attacked even tho I talk about CIG. Not my problem.
That you and some others see "something" in Star Citizen is beyond doubt. I mean its the only sensible explanation as to why you dump so much time into it. Stubborness only goes so far so you really must enjoy it and sorry to say but your recept postings reflect your growing frustration with the project to a level that made me worry about you in earnest. Because it makes me sad to see people losing their joy in something. And thats not your fault at all.
But it also points out the critical issue. Because Star Citizen didnt become worse in anyway...it just got new performance and stability issues but the content and the mechanics stayed the same yes? And if thats true and just the crashes and bugs are responsible for your frustration then it seems obvious that you simply "make your own fun" when the game runs stable. Thats not the game mind you but YOU making it fun "for yourself".
Changing somebodies opinion is about the hardest thing you can do in the world. And its next to impossible if you dont even give it a try. Most people discussing Star Citizen have given up trying to convince others. There are too many templates these days that help to instantly disregard valid arguments pro and contra. I dont hope to "make you see it my way" but I am watching the project running its course in a way that more and more agrees with MY view and you getting tired of people calling "SCAM" every 3 seconds doesnt change the fact that it really looks like thats exactly the case. Instead I am happy for you to be able to enjoy Star Citizen and I do that because I respect and like you. That is the case because you never felt the need to offend or attack me so I pay back the respect I received. I dont have these restraints with people who openly mocked or ridiculed me. And while some jokes and jests are fine either way (bashing Star Citizen but also praising it) there is some obvious trolling going on that makes it hard to respect or even notice some peoples comments anymore.
Conclusion. I dont speak for any party in this argument. I speak for myself only. If there is indeed some "hater" faction in this discussion I never joined it and if I really went "hater" in my posts I d like people to point out where and when because sometimes I worry about getting too personal in all this. I ve already lost my cool several times on youtube and seriously....I am still ashamed of myself for those times.
I'd only disagree with the assertion that the more fanatical supporters won't accept my neutrality...they don't really have a choice in the matter. I have some of those more fanatical backers amongst my friends list, both in game and on Spectrum...
They won't always agree with what I have to say but they respect my right to be just as critical as they are (apparently) blindly supportive...as well as upvote my offerings on Spectrum when I make them. I won't habitually criticise the Ci¬G devs efforts in the development of Star Citizen any more than I support Ci¬G's actions as a company, they know that...they also know I play, in some cases, a lot more hours than they do and that I've been a concierge level backer for some considerable time. I've earned the right purely on the amount of hours I've played to offer honest critiscism if I see fit, they see it no differently...judging purely from my own experience.
I can only offer my experiences on Spectrum of course...since I don't do reddit.
My other disagreement would be that I make my own fun when playing...which is assuming that playing Star Citizen isn't engaging in it's own right. I get just as frustrated with the bugs of course...especially the persistent ones, the recent server instability being in the main, the one that causes the most frustration for everyone and not just me.
It still remains...I couldn't realistically or honestly continue to just pretend to make a crap game fun or engaging...it either is or isn't worth the time spent on it...and Star Citizen, for my part, is certainly worth spending the time I do on it. Many others will agree just the same. It fills a certain niche form of gameplay I liked from E-D as well as offer other activities unique to Star Citizen...I keep saying, it's not all bad. If it were, I wouldn't be wasting time with it since my game library and gaming interests are as varied as they are extensive if nothing else.
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Jenner
I wish I was English like my hero Tj.
Sorry to hear about your accident, Mole. That really sucks! I hope you recover well and don't have any serious lingering injury.
(Aside - I've been playing a lot of Farming Simulator 19 this past week. So far I haven't managed to get myself maimed, although I did just flip my tractor. Guess it's not all that realistic, lol).
Anyway on topic - always nice to hear your level headed SC critiques, Mole. Keep on keeping on.
(Aside - I've been playing a lot of Farming Simulator 19 this past week. So far I haven't managed to get myself maimed, although I did just flip my tractor. Guess it's not all that realistic, lol).
Anyway on topic - always nice to hear your level headed SC critiques, Mole. Keep on keeping on.
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People can say the same about Warcraft 3 Reforged or Fallout 76 for example and yet it can be said that these games look like saints compared to SC based on just several facts : they are not selling these games in/with/both ridiculous and absurd form of micro transactions while hiding behind "open development and alpha status" for everything bad and missing features in the game and simultaneously also pretending to be in the same category of activity as "charity" that is still on going after 7 years.
SC's "not all bad" is objectively far worse than WC3R and F76.
On another note it's really disappointing that Digital Foundry is blatantly shilling for SC.
Making a statement that Star Citizen is completely bad or without merit by directly comparing it to other games, good or bad, simply to make a point that reinforces your own blinkered standpoint is pretty commonplace and incidentally, exactly how fanatics of the game attempt to justify it's glacial development, astounding mismanagement and ridiculous cost.
I merely made a factual statement that as a potential game, Star Citizen isn't all bad, which is a truth... it wasn't intended for debate.
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Isn't it. They have always struck me as being objective and factual about the games they look at, there is a definite gushing fanboy vibe from the 2 video/articles by Alex Battaglia. In my opinion he is misusing what DF is meant to be about.
I'm one of the early backers, i try to like it, every patch i go in and give it my best, ignoring the major bugs that are still all there in force, and try and see beyond that, maybe that's "the one" that will make it worth. Still, everytime i find out there's nothing underneath the surface but disappointment. Actually last year was really bad in that way every subsequent patch was worse than the previous one. Now CiG are talking about killing high speed combat, which is one of the stupidest things they have done and the bar was low already... They really want to have their "3D FPS" model where piloting and skills mean nothing, it's just about FPS "point and shoot while strafing" technique which is definitely not "BDSSE" material. Trading was killed with the commodity timers (no, i didnt go for illegal stuff yet, which i heard was even worse, i went for regular commodities..). Bounty hunting (using ships) and most ship based activities are now mostly extinct. They are now instead developing a Battlefield crappy budget clone. I'm trying my best to like it, i love space games, but how could i be positive ?
o7I haven't been playing much for the last few days...managed to rip to head off part of my right bicep making it a monocep and snapping most of the rotator cuff tendons in my right shoulder. The plough decided to detach itself from the PTO of my tractor as I was dropping the support leg and my arms took the brunt of it. It hurts a bit
Worst is...not a lot the scab lifters can do to fix it. Perhaps if I had been a world class tennis player or something...but as is, I'm left with an arm and a half. As long as I can still work a mouse, keyboard, Xbox controller and a HOTAS though I'll be fine
Get well again soon.
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