Robert Maynard
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One would not opt in to Open only Powerplay to be harassed by non-Powerplayers who know that they can't be blocked.
Open Only - Is it the paradise some think it would be?
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Part of Powerplay open only. Part of it.
And, given Sandros suggestion to move unique modules to tech brokers, how does that compute?
If you are in a speed build, I've already scored a victory over you, because you have sacrificed capacity for speed slowing your cumulative effort for that cycle. And what are you doing? Forting? That means you are potentially flying into the capital where wings of intruders will be after you in SC. You'd then need friends to run interference to allow you through, and be wary flying out / in stations. Prepping means repeatedly (more so in a small ship) flying into a place opposition pilots know you will be. The same for mega UM sites. In short its not going to be roses for you, and a damn sight more exciting than autopiloting your way through it all.
Which would mean the attacker would be subject to normal C + P, plus it makes the Freedom Fighter mechanic for free.
I can't make Tuesdays. Wednesdays would be good, but only after lunch. Saturday mornings would be fine too. Unless it's raining.
Robert Maynard
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Yet the block feature exists in Open already - where the attacker is subject to normal C & P.
Frontier consciously chose to let players block other players in Open for their own reasons. Whether their stance would change if they were to implement Open only Powerplay remains to be seen, on both counts.
So in short you wouldn't be able to do anything about it at all ?.
That's the point, you can't make people do PVP in ED. No matter what you do with modes they'll adapt so you still miss out on your pew pew.
I like running the hostile gauntlet, I have ships built just for doing that because I think its fun.
And, if you had paid attention to my various essays you'd know one of the clauses would be that Open Powerplay blocking would only block other pledges. No pledge, block who you like. Try to block a pledge, no dice. Don;t like being shot? Stick with Solo PP tasks or don't pledge.
That's not compatible with modern game design, players need the option to ditch the nutters.
Robert Maynard
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We're talking about the Open only Powerplay proposal - not one of the many alternative player proposals that followed it. Frontier have indicated that they are looking at a subset of the proposals in the first Flash Topic.
Pad blocking and the block feature were put forward as points that would need to be considered during the Flash Topics.
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Are you not thinking it through?
Large ship = less trips into hostile space, but more risky.
Smaller ship = less risk but more trips.
Time = finite
When you are in a prep race, or have been turmoiled every load counts. With mega UM its open ended and that you might be trying to fight the whole cycle in one place you don't want to lose. Hence, if you reduce your forting capability you are automatically 'not winning'.
You have a very narrow view of what 'pew pew' is. Quite often its surviving gank attempts on Thursday morning, or trying to keep people fortifying safe from intruders, or scouting, or UMing quietly and not being seen by players. Its just as much dodging people as it is kicking them in the face.
Then Open PP is just for you, because thats what a lot of it will be.
Even in a feature about killing? Language certainly needs filtering, but if the worst fate is death in a feature that requires killing.....whats the point?
No blocking for Powerplay, now how do we game that?...
'Hey, random unpledged person in my friends list, do you want to help me with Powerplay for a bit?'
'Sure, why not'
'Thanks, jump to system loobyloo xyz and let me know what you see player-wise'
'Yeah there's 8 guys pledged to the baddies'
'cheers, I'll block you now, and come on over...'
'don't forget to unblock me later though, we have that thing this weekend.'
'no worries...'
'Hey, random unpledged person in my friends list, do you want to help me with Powerplay for a bit?'
'Sure, why not'
'Thanks, jump to system loobyloo xyz and let me know what you see player-wise'
'Yeah there's 8 guys pledged to the baddies'
'cheers, I'll block you now, and come on over...'
'don't forget to unblock me later though, we have that thing this weekend.'
'no worries...'
As much as I agree, guys this just won't work, not at all. What timeframe does FD use to determine the correct day, whatever they pick someone here will complain, and demand their timeframe be used instead.
Hmm instead of set days maybe base the thing on the server tick? That could work lol
Oh for those that take everything here seriously, I am joking, save the angst and anger for when I'm not (you will know, trust me)
Nothing was said about blocking, so you can argue either way.
Pad blocking is interesting, but again avoidable. For example: capitals have fleet carriers that augment stations, making all powers have an equivalent number of pads. Ships automatically go into the hangar and deinstance, allowing for more people to dock.
In short its an issue that can be resolved via design.
Tickday it is!
Hmm, it looks like there's something wrong with my diary...
How does that make any difference? If anything its a great spy mechanic for using PMFs.
Now is that before the tick or after the tick (god I just know some Brainiac will vote for 'during the tick'
)Robert Maynard
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Maybe not by Sandro - but it was certainly raised.
.... and if other pledged players could not be blocked then anyone keen on harassing someone would pledge to a Power - as they could not be blocked by genuine Powerplayers.
Removing the possibility of pad blocking would upset some players - and it'd be good to see the back of it.
Weeeell...
If I and my group have enough unpledged co-conspirators, or maybe they de-pledge just to get in on the fun, first of all they all block each other, so that they won't get instanced together, we (the pledgelings) block them all so that we don't instance with them either, and then we send them to the target system where they have a shuftie for opposition forces. If it's stacked they stay there, if not they either leave and relog or jump away and back, whatever, the point being to only loiter in system if there is evidence of opposition forces. Once all our 'spies' are in place we jump in. Sure we'll find some opposition, maybe, but we have also put a big no opposition hole in the target system, through instancing.
Regarding scenario 3: Since the bubble is so huge, I don't think this will be a common issue. Relogging at certain sites will become ineffective however - this is both good and bad and has been discussed to death.
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